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I'm with sarahell on the mixed feelings about Newsom. He is a guy who I *really* don't like or trust, even when a lot of his policy prescriptions and positions line up with mine. He's just a fucking slimeball that wants to be president really badly. Dunno if I will bother voting for him, he's almost certain to be the winner anyway.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:35 (one year ago) link

i remember being a local blogger about 10 or so years ago and my fave thing was comparing him to Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:37 (one year ago) link

I think he is also a big fan of Huey Lewis & the News iirc

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:38 (one year ago) link

I can't hate him, he stepped forward to support same-sex marriage at a time when most of the rest of the country was charging in the other direction

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:44 (one year ago) link

comparing him to Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman

yeah you weren't alone in this the similarity is just too eerie

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:54 (one year ago) link

he stepped forward to support same-sex marriage at a time when most of the rest of the country was charging in the other direction when it was most politically advantageous to him personally, handed the GOP a wedge-issue that helped get Dubya re-elected, resulted in the passage of Prop 8 in California actually *banning* gay marriage, and did not actually result in any valid gay marriages

fixed

that whole charade was nauseating, grandstanding at his worst. He knew he didn't have a legal leg to stand on and did it for the purposes of benefiting no one but himself.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

xp - even when in practice it was preaching to the choir and a high profile distraction from his pro-development/pro-corporate policies?

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:56 (one year ago) link

^^^

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:58 (one year ago) link

he has a history of this grandstanding, like when he wanted to improve the health of poor & working class San Franciscans by banning cigarette sales from chain stores with pharmacies -- that pretty much affected nothing except the ability to buy fairly low-priced cigarettes at Walgreen's stores. ... as opposed to walking a block or less to a liquor store and buying cigarettes

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:58 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cG7EytB7M

omg I pulled up this video to show how fuckin obnoxious he was at the time and the closed captioning is wild

**APPLAUSE BY HOMOSEXUALS**

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:58 (one year ago) link

xp the conversation it started was a huge push forward for gay rights

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:59 (one year ago) link

i don't think he literally tried to feed a cat to an ATM tho

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

the conversation it started was a huge push forward for gay rights

he didn't start it - Alaska and Arizona already had gay marriage rulings on the books - he just made the splashiest (and emptiest) show about it. which is his modus operandi.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

xp Dan -- I'm not saying he's evil incarnate, just that it was a self-serving move. And it is often super useful to be reminded that in the central SF Bay Area, one lives in kinda a political bubble and that there is certain hair-splitting we do here, some more-progressive-than-thou type stuff, that looks ridiculous to most other Americans

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:04 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah, and Oakland has a mayoral election ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:05 (one year ago) link

Alaska and Arizona, come on. This *was* a big push forward.

Bush had already given his SOTU pressing for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. Massachusetts was on track to start allowing marriages in May of that year. A backlash was going to happen in 2004. And Prop 8 was a direct response to the California Supreme Court recognizing marriage rights in 2008

agree that it was a partly self-serving move, but it was also a very good thing

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:11 (one year ago) link

yeah, on paper he has done all the right things, but you read into the details of his life and he is a total slimeball

thing is, how else would you vote if not on what he has done and the positives more or less outweigh the negatives

i feel like this single payer healthcare program was hyped a lot in california, but like it's crazy when you do the math

i'm not against it though

F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:36 (one year ago) link

on paper he has done all the right things

not when he was mayor! he did a lot of not-right things

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:37 (one year ago) link

as mayor his sponsorship of Prop N (Care not Cash) was very controversial

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:46 (one year ago) link

yeah, i know what you mean

i guess i should say given the options

F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:48 (one year ago) link

I agree that policy-wise I'm compelled to vote for him, more or less. At the same time, I absolutely hate watching him talk and prior to our current scandal-goalpost-moving POS chief exec I would have assumed Newsom was a lock for doing something scandalously unethical/illegal that would tank his career. I guess we're going to find out soon enough.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:51 (one year ago) link

Well when the alternative is John Cox...

Catherine Power (Leee), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:58 (one year ago) link

i was listening to an interview with scott weiner and he mentioned that brown had vetoed the 4am last call thing but he would bring it back next year and didn't expect any problems with newsom on that issue. there was then a weird moment where the interviewer and weiner acknowledged that yes, newsom is a known partier.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:17 (one year ago) link

a friend of mine/former journalist wrote a semi-autobiographical novel that briefly features an obvious Newsom character riding around in a limo drinking champagne, doing blow and engaging in bisexual hijinks

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:23 (one year ago) link

"That, in turn, should be the opening line of your novel.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link

god damn i need a voter guide who tf are all these yahoo local judges speaking in code

the late great, Thursday, 18 October 2018 03:59 (one year ago) link

i forget, are you in LA?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 October 2018 04:20 (one year ago) link

sandy eggo

the late great, Thursday, 18 October 2018 04:43 (one year ago) link

city of

the late great, Thursday, 18 October 2018 04:43 (one year ago) link

ah i cannot help you.

anyone reading this in LA:

superior court #4: sauceda on the grounds that the other guy is endorsed by the police unions.

#16: hunter. michel's husband is an NRA lawyer and her son is called Colt and her dog is called Heston. also michel is endorsed by the LAT which in court elections seems to indicate a "nice little beach community" type.

#60: hancock. ex public defender (rather than prosecutor) and woman.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 October 2018 05:16 (one year ago) link

no news here for anyone local, but prop c goes national

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/technology/san-francisco-taxes-homeless.html

i didn't know this though:

In 2012, San Francisco also adjusted its tax code by switching from a payroll tax to a gross receipts tax, a change that favored the tech industry, which spends extravagantly to recruit top engineers.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:17 (one year ago) link

superior court #4: sauceda on the grounds that the other guy is endorsed by the police unions

i definitely voted against the guy that said "proud to be law enforcement's choice"

the late great, Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

I am going to ask an extremely ignorant question: what is the billionaire obsession with charter schools? an untapped market?

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 22 October 2018 06:01 (one year ago) link

i think it's the standard "free enterprise" thing that appeals to business people, like public schools are hamstrung by all these government regulations, what if we could "disrupt" that and do more or less what we want but still get the same government funding that the public schools do?

sarahell, Monday, 22 October 2018 14:20 (one year ago) link

yeah it's total bullshit

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 October 2018 15:26 (one year ago) link

i endorse these endorsements

https://lawebsitedotnet.wordpress.com/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 October 2018 18:37 (one year ago) link

rich people also send their kids to private schools so they dgaf about using charters as a lab for their dumb theories. they're not affected.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 22 October 2018 18:56 (one year ago) link

Weird new republican ad buy

A plane crashed onto the 101 Freeway in Agoura Hills on Tuesday afternoon, authorities said. https://t.co/L09NSqhq3k pic.twitter.com/dXHLoY4aKB

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) October 23, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:31 (one year ago) link

would sign a prop that seized all assets of a rich warplane flying asshole that fucks up everybody's commute

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:39 (one year ago) link

Opposition to PROP 10

Officials

Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D), 2018 gubernatorial candidate[47]
John Cox (R), 2018 gubernatorial candidate[47]

Parties

California Republican Party[48]

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:03 (one year ago) link

When did Gavin Newsom disappoint you first?

I betcha nobody here remembers Brittanie Mountz.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:04 (one year ago) link

lol who could forget

the late great, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:05 (one year ago) link

I actually remember Newsom's Gay Marriage Gambit as a pretty savvy move to consolidate the city behind him after a divisive election (and I definitely didn't vote for him in that one).

But he will not be as competent as Brown, that's for sure. Hopefully it will be enough.

fajita seas, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 03:00 (one year ago) link

I betcha nobody here remembers Brittanie Mountz.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, October 23, 2018 6:04 PM (yesterday)

oh I remember! she had the best name, the jokes wrote themselves

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:15 (one year ago) link

i also endorse these endorsements:

https://tjr.xxx/content/two-evils-voting-guide-nov-2018.pdf?1540269420

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:35 (one year ago) link

Surprising revelation from @GavinNewsom, former 2-term Mayor of SF: he hasn’t read #PropC and has no opinion on it. Tax tech to help homeless? No view. Not even in the abstract. “I haven’t read it.” pic.twitter.com/0RpAbozJFA

— Doug Sovern (@SovernNation) October 30, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:37 (one year ago) link

prop 10 seems like it's going to lose:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-may-2018-proposition-10-s-support-craters-in-new-1540406834-htmlstory.html

possibly thanks to this kind of nonsense (the same people will tell you that prop 10 will result in fewer houses being built. pick a side people!)

silver linings though:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-may-2018-prop-6-leaders-threaten-recall-campaign-1540838655-htmlstory.html

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:41 (one year ago) link

missing link there sorry

Why’s @AptAssocGLA gonna go ahead and make this old lady lie like that pic.twitter.com/GiSMsSydF8

— Scott Frazier (@safrazie) October 28, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 00:41 (one year ago) link

damn dude, she looks like she's only in her mid-50s??

sarahell, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 01:21 (one year ago) link

This is all based on what I read from interested parties in twitter so who knows, but I don’t think that’s true.

For one, a much larger set of developers can finance single floor buildings like that. There aren’t enough developers capable of building mid rises on the land sb50 etc. would make usable.

The other thing is new bungalow courts are apparently a kind of sweet spot financially. You can make your money back renting them for 1000 month because they’re relatively cheap to build, but they rent for multiples of that. The profit margin on a “luxury” (ie not old) apartment is smaller as a percentage.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 January 2020 02:13 (two weeks ago) link

Every new project in Pasadena is at least three stories, most are 4-6. I don't see anyone getting rid of a couple houses on a half acre only to put up 6-8 bungalows.

The Esotouric thing I mentioned was a developer wanting to tear down a 1930s bungalow court in the Melrose area in LA for a much higher density project.

It was parking requirements that killed bungalows, with 2 spots necessary per unit there wasn't room for enough sq ft of living area, so developers went for the 2-story dingbat style, with parking on the bottom.

nickn, Friday, 31 January 2020 03:26 (two weeks ago) link

every new project in pasadena is mid-rise because sb50 or similar legislation hasn't passed so multi-unit zoned land is rare and expensive, so you have to build 12+ units to make money. i don't think it would stay that way if everything within half a mile of the gold line got upzoned.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 January 2020 06:11 (two weeks ago) link

Ehhh, I don't know, I can't see a developer choosing small scale when they could go larger.

nickn, Friday, 31 January 2020 06:42 (two weeks ago) link

right but my point is not all developers can go larger. you need huge amounts of capital to build a four floor apartment building.

(i'm also 100% fine with exclusively mid-rise apartment buildings getting built and no bungalow courts getting built, but i don't think that's what would happen)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 31 January 2020 07:22 (two weeks ago) link

Seems like the property owners would not settle for the price a small scale development would get, and would be willing to hold out for a price that only a large development would justify. But who knows, maybe if enough building was allowed the price would drop. Or maybe people would develop decent-sized single family house properties into 2-4 bungalows.

nickn, Friday, 31 January 2020 07:52 (two weeks ago) link

They should build as many market rate apartments and condos near Orinda BART as they are/have in my neighborhood in Oakland.

sarahell, Saturday, 1 February 2020 19:48 (two weeks ago) link

Ned posted this in the Oakland thread -- but it is actually state legislation, so it can go here too!

https://www.kqed.org/arts/13874382/state-senator-introduces-legislation-to-protect-live-work-and-warehouse-residences

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:01 (two weeks ago) link

thread from the state assemblywoman who lead AB5 about follow-up legislation

Based on dozens of meetings with freelance journalists & photographers, we have submitted language to legislative counsel that we hope to have available next week to put into AB1850 which will cut out the 35 submission cap & instead more clearly define freelancer journalism 2/

— Lorena (@LorenaSGonzalez) February 6, 2020

(AB5 aside, watch her. she'll be a senator in DC soon.)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:55 (two weeks ago) link

she moves fast and breaks things, but she hears you and she'll do better

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 6 February 2020 22:36 (two weeks ago) link

I wonder how this proposed fund to assist arts nonprofits would work. ... it seems like a well-meaning idea that will create more problems for people

sarahell, Friday, 7 February 2020 01:27 (one week ago) link

does it mention any remedies for gig musicians?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 7 February 2020 02:29 (one week ago) link

Meanwhile, AB-5 has forced the local playhouse here in Sierra Madre to cancel a show:

https://abc7.com/business/local-theater-struggles-under-ca-law-restricting-independent-contractor-designation/5899734/

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 7 February 2020 06:27 (one week ago) link

Every new project in Pasadena is at least three stories, most are 4-6.

They're called Five-Over-Ones, One-Plus-Fives, etc. but the construction is the same: five floors of residential wood construction on top of a concrete box retail floor. A vast chunk of American civic land is zoned to prohibit construction over 65 feet, which makes it just right for these five or six story boxes. They're cheap as hell to build and taller/denser construction would run up against different standards for fire regulation, parking, etc. etc. The architecture derives from being the minimal legal hassle to maximize as much possible profit.

More:
http://archplanbaltimore.blogspot.com/2015/03/how-one-plus-five-is-shaping-american_27.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-02-13/why-america-s-new-apartment-buildings-all-look-the-same

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 7 February 2020 06:40 (one week ago) link

oooooh! thank you!

sarahell, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:46 (one week ago) link

Five-Over-Ones, One-Plus-Fives,
No one here gets out alive.

nickn, Friday, 7 February 2020 18:50 (one week ago) link

Didn’t read but isn’t the short answer seismic safety — unreinforced masonry

sarahell, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:08 (one week ago) link

Lol ok I read it and it is about Philly. But changes to building codes and the ability to use alternative methods is a relevant issue.

sarahell, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:13 (one week ago) link

as a Seattle resident there's far too much unreinforced masonry still standing for my nerves

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:26 (one week ago) link

There are ways to legally and safely reinforce the unreinforced masonry, but not cheaply

sarahell, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:29 (one week ago) link

Yeah and it’s not blanket-required “lol”

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:15 (one week ago) link

what a mess

https://www.patreon.com/posts/34027460

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:47 (six days ago) link

law is totally gonna get amended/re-written. not a bad thing imo. still hope it puts uber etc out of business.

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 February 2020 22:59 (six days ago) link

anyone in LA CD12? apparently this flyer is supposed to make you not want to vote for lundquist?!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQxZyzHU0AEKvmQ?format=jpg&name=medium

she's got a good shot. she lost to lee (a republican) by a small amount in a very low turnout special election last year. she'll benefit from increased democrat turnout in march and lee knows this (he's running as an indpendent) if she gets more than 50% in the primary she wins right away.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 February 2020 00:04 (five days ago) link

what a mess

https://www.patreon.com/posts/34027460

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, February 14, 2020 2:47 PM (four hours ago)

What's even messier is how the people who have legal expertise in these industries (publishing, media, art, theater, music, etc.) don't even seem to understand the law -- or at least are giving sloppy advice to freelancers. Like, the forming an LLC is so not gonna qualify. I am glad the author of this article didn't do it and have to spend $800 (at least) per year for something legally useless for AB5 issues. It's possible that one could get away with forming an S-Corp where you pay yourself as an employee, and the client pays your S-Corp, though CA Lawyers for the Arts said in their toolkit they just put out that that was a bit dicey and that would fall under a "loan out" provision that is considered non-exempt from AB5.

AB5 is also interesting in relation to the Federal TCJA provisions from last year that eliminated deductions for unreimbursed employee business expenses. Like, in one way it is regressive and shitty, because it tends to affect people like teachers and non-profit staff that have underfunded workplaces, as well as people who are dues-paying members of unions (teachers again, nurses, etc.). However, one could argue, that it gives employees more impetus to get their employers to pay for things rather than expecting the employees to pay for stuff out of pocket because they care about their work.

Basically, if I were involved in unionization type work, I would be like, "this is our moment" and would be in manic activist mode right now.

sarahell, Saturday, 15 February 2020 03:13 (five days ago) link


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