US Politics, October 2018: next week will be even longer

The only end is violence. This will not change through voting.

― brotherlovesdub, Monday, October 15, 2018 8:51 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thread title for November.

The esquire article is good/how I feel. It's stupid that one even has to engage but consistently being transparent and honest is still important.

important =\= effective

that's where we're at

it doesn't matter if the event is "legitimate" or not insofar as who did it, it has to be something that resets peoples' brains in the same way that 9/11 and Trump's election did.

― flappy bird, Monday, October 15, 2018 6:55 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

funny story: this is what my joke about iraq/9-11 meant. glad we agree.

Who knows on Day 1 if it will be effective. It's effective to me.

he ran against a stodgy, awkward guy that was good on paper but a lousy candidate, and then Bush won for real.

Have you read much about the voting machines in Ohio? He may not have.

Trump doesn't have the attention span to start a war.

^^^ I can imagine John Kelly saying this to himself.

I can imagine John Bolton saying it to himself, ruefully.

That's why Trump stopped the war on his first day, explained Mr West.

TRUMP says he will only pay 1 million dollars to charity for Warren if he can test her personally: "I will only do it if I can test her personally. That will not be something that I enjoy doing"

— Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) October 15, 2018

uhhh

¡!

Another case of taking him literally, instead of taking him seriously. Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

glad to see that addressing his racist taunt with a DNA test has conclusively put this matter to rest

there's also this, which i don't quite understand because i don't think warren is claiming that she is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation

Inbox: Cherokee Nation responds to Senator Warren’s DNA test. pic.twitter.com/Sh8aNZgyAT

— Justin Wingerter (@JustinWingerter) October 15, 2018

Guys, I promise you, one of these days President Trump is finally going to hold that football in place and let you kick it, you just gotta have faith!

Never mind a football, I just want the chance to kick him. Preferably in the throat, seven or eight times.

Guys, I promise you, one of these days President Trump is finally going to hold that football in place and let you kick it, you just gotta have faith!

― Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, October 15, 2018 9:40 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who is this for dude

elizabeth warren dot com can not hear you from here

i feel like i saw that trump football joke last week. potentially i am living in a simulation or having a nervous breakdown

No dem seeking election/re-election should publicly engage with Trump in any way before having the potential efficacy of the engagement thoroughly vetted. If there isn't a very sizable chance of it landing in your favor (and, unless you have some serious leverage against him, it probably won't), there is no upside whatsoever and it should be avoided at all costs.

(Football joke is for any dem politician who's suddenly deluded themselves into thinking that Trump is suddenly going to adhere to the Marquess of Queensberry rules. Many of them lurk here, I'm sure of it.)

this post elaborates on the Cherokee Nation statement above

after too many media inquiries, here is my statement on the #ElizabethWarren DNA testing story. pic.twitter.com/cqD8PQqI0N

— Kim TallBear (@KimTallBear) October 15, 2018

What a shit show.

this is what they did to Gore, endless non-stories based on arguable misstatements designed to humiliate him. Love Story. earth tones. invented the internet.

I mean, they're going to do it anyway, but maybe don't tug at their jacket sleeves and hand them a bulleted list of suggestions.

Yep

warren will be a terrible candidate imo

"They" hardly did anything to Warren here tbh. She decided to humiliate herself here, it seems. Bringing a non-story upon herself. It's too stupid to believe it to be real.

xxxp

Yep was an xpost. Also this is a climate where the fascist president can say and do anything and everyone helps him out of their own self interest

like this shit right here, her instincts are bad and she’ll get ripped apart

Kim Tallbear would probably be proud of Warren if she was 1/4 or 1/8th Indigenous.

I’m with the cherokee nation. Ethnic ties are about memory, history and culture not blood.

uhm...

xp

I’m still all about warren 2020 but i can see how engaging this stupid smear campaign showed poor instincts. She never made a big deal about being part cherokee—it wasn’t a salazar situation

Well....she went out of her way to say that she wasn’t claiming tribal membership in the video and ignoring she said and attacking her instead of the fascist president who calls her Pocahontas to laughing crowds of racists is making a curious decision.

It’s been funny to see the people who defended Salazar beyond reason get weirdly mad at Warren over this with the position that DNA tests themselves are racist.

Kim Tallbear would probably be proud of Warren if she was 1/4 or 1/8th Indigenous.

― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Monday, October 15, 2018 6:17 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf

just trying to get a reaction

it got an FP so there's that i guess

otm

DK, in this case I found calling Trump's bluff to be effective, although it's hard to say why exactly. Generally agree about the whole beating Trump at the facts game thing.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 15 October 2018 18:40 (three hours ago) Permalink

changed my mind about this on further thought, this was dumb

I know we gather on this thread to hold each other's hands through this long period of mourning, but today's been the low point here. We're debating the effectiveness of Warren releasing a DNA report when the Kavanaugh hearings haven't affected the Dems' House chances by a jot? It's 2018. We're 60,000 Twitter cycles away from when we should worry about this shit.

Get a grip.

for fuck's sake

and most of the posters are cis dudes

warren will be a terrible candidate imo

Fine. Tell us who you think would be better.

today's been the low point here. We're debating the effectiveness of Warren releasing a DNA report when the Kavanaugh hearings haven't affected the Dems' House chances by a jot? It's 2018. We're 60,000 Twitter cycles away from when we should worry about this shit.Trump

fixed, I believe...

https://politics.theonion.com/elizabeth-warren-disappointed-after-dna-test-shows-zero-1829766407

I'm native and a registered tribal member. I know lots of native activists are up in arms on this but I really think they're missing the point on this very specific reveal today.

sovereignity is a huge issue with activists right now and it's an important issue. Warren isn't discussing this and their harping on her about it is like someone complaining the plot of a book wasn't about what they wanted it to be. She's simply showing a source for the family stories that she had been told. Do I think this makes her 'native'? No. She has some native blood. I don't believe she has ever claimed anything otherwise. I know someone who is attacking her on this because this is missing the point that Native identity isn't about 'race' it's about 'being citizens of nations.' The point behind this argument is that tribes and activists are concerned that there is a concerted effort to declare tribes invalid because they are 'race based'.

These are valid points and ones I'm not sure that Warren is well versed in. I know activists have tried to reach her about it. It suppose it would be good for her to listen to them regardless because otherwise she's going to have this shit hanging on her from both the right and the native left.

all that said: I like Warren's politics but her voice annoys the fuck out of me and she sounds like an old white lady. ha.

I love that Nerdstrom manages to bust out "you wish to change the Democratic Party yet you criticize Democrats... CURIOUS" within 12 hours of a Democrat doing some dumb shit