Democratic (Party) Direction

Hillary and Bill decide whether or not to give interviews and what to give interviews about. I guarantee you they have a great deal of control over the subject matter, and they are grown ups who know how to say "I don't have a comment on that" even if surprised. She wanted to put that message out.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), 15. oktober 2018 18:33 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol, no

I'm going to give her the credit that at this point in her public life, if she says something in an interview, it's because she intends it to be heard.

she's successfully avoided a ton of subjects for 20+ years

The interview is about the 'pink wave', and she is promoting a new afterword about sexism to her book 'What Happened'. Anyone think she 'wanted' to talk about Bill?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pink-wave-2018-midterm-elections-hillary-rodham-clinton-jahana-hayes-kimberlin-brown-pelzer/

as with what they think, i don't care what they want

when you're dead, you should lie down

Fred, don't be fucking naive. A network will take a Hillary interview on her terms. She could easily make it a condition that she's not answering questions about Bill. These things are highly stage managed.

she is promoting a new afterword about sexism to her book 'What Happened'. Anyone think she 'wanted' to talk about Bill?

― Frederik B, Monday, October 15, 2018 6:05 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're right though even if this thing wasn't stage managed to the nth degree how could she ever have anticipated and prepared a response to a question related to the topic of what she's promoting

Bernie Sanders is in Milwaukee today campaigning for Tony Evers and Tammy Baldwin. I don't think there are wings of the party in the Midwest anymore; it feels like all Democrats are just out there saying "if we make this election about healthcare healthcare healthcare and education education education we win" and the furious backpedaling by GOP candidates here (Scott Walker now insisting he too supports going to back to the old K-12 funding formula, and he too wants to protect people with pre-existing conditions) suggests that the election will indeed be fought on this Democrat-friendly ground. (Though of course Walker can still win if enough people can get themselves to believe his latest insistences.)

The ads run by the democrat running to unseat my republican rep here in Michigan are like 90% health care related, as are the dozen mailers I get every week. She's stated that her mother getting cancer in 2009 and going through a ton of bullshit and almost going bankrupt was what caused her to get into politics in the first place.

Every poll I've seen suggests that -- at long last -- Dems no longer feel defensive about health care.

This is probably what the Cherokees were afraid of https://t.co/5EHb8U2PWA

— Chad Vi(gore)ous (@PrettyBadLefty) October 16, 2018

wait, does that mean Trump would have to think up a racist native american slur for Huckleberry

no Alfred, now they have immigration to be defensive about

but his rapes

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, October 15, 2018 9:10 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gross fuckin way of putting this imo

so nice of the Senate Minority Leader to do everything he possibly can to confirm more and more conservative circuit court judges

hillary and bill are going on a tour, this is the context in which she chose to defend bill again.

their tour stop in my city features floor seats for > $800 canadian

they're awful people and should go away forever

if anyone can spare $80, these 8 statehouse races seem like a good place to spend it

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2018/10/16/data-for-politics-29-give-smart

just do it

https://www.harris.senate.gov/news/press-releases/harris-proposes-bold-relief-for-families-amid-rising-costs-of-living

fucking targeted tax credits

lmao come back next week with a new one KH

like what the hell is even a tax credit, send people a check

just cut every american a check for $6000 and take it from Jeff Bezos' dryer lint

you don't even have to do it every year! It'd change the world forever to do it once

It’s an improvement over her previous idea, a tax deduction on rent aka the transfer wealth to landlords act.

tbf the proposal is that you would be able to advance the $6,000 as a $500/month payment rather than waiting to file for it next april. aka a stealth basic income halfway sorta.

It's a fairytale proposal with Trump and a likely GOP Senate, if this is your opening move for 2020 do you really think people get fired up hearing "tax credits"?

i think the idea is that they'd get fired up hearing "$500/month" but ymmv

matty.....otm

I agree with the spirit of what @SenBooker is trying to propose here, but Democrats really need to learn not to run campaigns based on complicated phase-out schedules. https://t.co/1ly6KYfSmR pic.twitter.com/ooDXMEIYY2

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 22, 2018

Isn't part of the sovereign citizen insanity that every American gets a secret bank account at birth?

bitcoin embedded in spine

yglesias is evidence that humans sometimes learn

americans would receive $200 every time they pass go. committee still debating whether to include "free parking" amendment.

Some of you will hate this, but hey (also Tombot seems to be taking a sabbatical)

The way to get people to vote is to offer them candidates who actually give people hope that politics could make things better for them—which is what Obama did for many people of my generation (how wrong we were). If voters have reason to believe that the person they’re voting for might do something to erode the system that makes them feel so alienated—voter suppression; intimidation and oppression of immigrants, people of color and the poor; the outsize influence of corporate dollars on politics—then you won’t have to lecture them.

Let’s just look at the candidate Obama was campaigning for last night, Jacky Rosen. She’s better than the Republican, who’s a snake demon, as they all are, and I desperately hope she wins because of that. But, you know, she’s just fine. She’s alright. What does she have to say about, for example, about healthcare? From her campaign site:

Jacky knows our healthcare system has real problems that we need to work together to fix. That’s why she is working to develop bipartisan solutions to improve health care access and bring down costs by stabilizing the marketplaces, lowering premiums, and addressing Nevada’s doctor shortages. She signed on to and helped pass bipartisan legislation in the House to repeal the medical device tax. Jacky has also introduced forward-thinking legislation to cap the rising costs of life-saving prescription drugs and limit monthly out-of-pocket costs for individuals and families.

Who on Earth is inspired by this shit? “Bipartisan solutions” brokered with a party that wants to stomp out your healthcare entirely—how exactly are you going meet them halfway? By only killing half as many poor people? “Lowering” and “limiting” costs sounds like an ad for a debt consolidation loan, not a bright vision for the future. “Real problems that we need to work together to fix” is exactly the kind of focus-grouped, message-tested, Washington consulting firm-ass, tossed-off bullshit that means *nothing* and tells voters *nothing* and has *no effect on anyone*....

https://splinternews.com/barack-obama-still-doesnt-get-it-1829934747

And yeah I'm she paid real close attention to the 2008 election as someone in British grade school.

— All Hallow’s Eve Not All Hallow’s Steve (@agraybee) October 23, 2018

Damn they sure got her for being an age

It fits in w her defining characteristic of seemingly not followed politics before 2016.

Who, Hilary Clinton?

He said wistfully, remembering the memes.

Obama drew thousands of people in Germany as a candidate, I'm suspicious other Europeans might have been paying attention to 2008. Just a hunch.

that splinter news article was ridiculous

There was another really embarrassing one she wrote that people breathlessly shared about how “Hillary is helping Mike Pompeo” the entire basis of which was a tortured misreading of a quote.

Just the fact that there are self important and defensive “anti-anti-voting” takes instead of “hey please vote the republicans out” is a great way to identify enormous pieces of shit.

Ok...I'll bite (ILX seems one of the few places where this can be done in good faith). Whats the problem with the splinter article, Dan?

it's cool how hipster leftists started using "hopey changey stuff" to make fun of obama as if that phrase hadn't been coined by sarah palin

Kind of line in with using “liberal” as pejorative.

The best part is where she gives a litany of reasons why you should treat it as an imperative to vote the GOP out without realizing she’s doing that.

Do you think she doesn't believe it's "imperative to vote the GOP out"?
Everyone agrees on the necessity of that, Libby appears to disagree with how one voices that and how it can be done. Hectoring people to vote Democratic doesn't work (see also: 2000, 2016) - giving them a reason to vote (like "hopey changey stuff") appears to work.

No she doesn’t believe it’s an imperative because otherwise she wouldn’t have mischaracterized Obama’s statement in that way.

Libby: Tell voters, hey, I understand why you feel like there’s no point...it’s these guys who don’t want you to vote, who want you to feel like there’s no point, because that’s how they win.

Obama: pic.twitter.com/3NFHfF5fQq

— 🍟4All (@Free_Fries_) October 24, 2018

Also it’s important to note that she (and the online people who she follows the lead of) would never urge people to vote the GOP out in a straightforward non-“wah Dems are bad” way because personal branding and her lame careerism greatly supercedes...you know stuff like this

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-was-warned-of-traumatic-psychological-injury-from-family-separations-official-says

It’s not accurate to say “hectoring” was part of the message in 2000 and 2016 as much as that being how we describe the reaction to “both sides are the same narratives” that got traction and that we should probably be somewhat embarrassed by. Libby generally tends to just reiterate the “very online left” takes after they’ve been made a thousand or so people before her and in this specific case the anti-anti-voting thing is a manifestation of her how bubble processes the guilt of having down played the threat of Trump/the GOP.

Jacky Rosen got 77% of the vote in the Dem primary, number two was 'none of these candidates' at 7%. If she is this awful at getting people to vote for her, and there is this other message that would have been a sure-fire vote-getter, then how on earth did her challengers do so pitifully?