2019 Rock N Roll HOF Nominees

one redeeming factor that's always struck me personality-wise w/Todd (and this has absolutely nothing to do w his music, to be clear) is how highly Liv Tyler and Bebe Buell have publicly spoken of him re: being a father to Liv while she was growing up.

That whole story is so strange, ha.

ZOMS GLOM NOM; THOM'S QUALM

lmao is that real ?

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Wow, Kraftwerk, the Cure, and Radiohead?!

2019: the year the Rock HoF got good.

We'll find out in "December 2019" (they can't get more precise on that?)

*Dec. 2018

Radiohead 5 more votes than Def Lep GTFO

I agree, only 5 votes more!?

two votes for the zombies ?

y’all are crazy

roxy music lol gtfo

Are we voting for who we want to get in/most deserving in our eyes? Or predicting who will get in?

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, October 10, 2018

This wasn’t (and still isn’t) clear to me, either...

I don’t think I’ve even followed any HoF ceremony. How many winners are there? Previous years give me like 4 or 5 winners unless I’m reading it wrong.

Stevie Nicks 0

lmao

So I started listening to that Rock Hall podcast mentioned upthread. It's pretty damn charming. I thought it would be something enjoyable to hate-listen while stuck in traffic, but I'm actually kind of hooked.

“Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2019 Inductees” (RockHall.com). The Zombies: two effectively Beatle-style Top 10 hits in 1965 (think of “She’s Not There” and “No Reply” — which one disappears in the face of the other?) and another one, boring even if the radio loves it, four years later. But when the Shangri-Las — “Remember (Walking in the Sand),” “Leader of the Pack,” “Give Him a Great Big Kiss,” “Out in the Streets” and “I Can Never Go Home Anymore” — three of them Top Ten in 1964 and 1965, one of them Number One, all of them not merely hits, but iconic — have never been nominated, let alone voted in, how can this mean anything at all? I don’t know if Janet Jackson or Def Leppard would agree, but I’d bet Stevie Nicks and Bryan Ferry would.

This made me laugh, because I've seen the same point made a thousand times in relation to Barry Bonds and/or Roger Clemens. I've always resisted the formulation when applied to baseball because, agree or disagree, I've always known why Bonds and Clemens have not (yet) been voted in--it's not some inexplicable mystery.

When it comes to the Shangri-Las, he may be onto something.

(Greil Marcus--was going to post that on his thread but moved it over here.)

I'm all for putting the Shangri-Las in the MLB hall of fame

did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"

Shirelles and Ronettes are in; Shangs absolutely should be, too.

i love time of the season and i think this year's rock hall class is a perfectly decent one, all things considered, and i'd take the shangri-las over every single one of 'em in a heartbeat.

and now that alan trammell's in the mlb hall, i'd be happy to devote my efforts to getting the shangri-las in there too.

also, he didn't even mention "train from kansas city"

to continue the baseball HOF analogy, using the Zombies' lower number of top ten hits against them is like Adrian Beltre making the HOF and some someone grousing about the fact that he made only 4 All Star games.

did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"

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i think he also just shit on "no reply" (tho, as so often with greil, you can't always be sure -- i assumed for years he hated the faces because of a line in his old rod stewart essay that seemed like a dismissal, but he said recently in the ask-GM column that he loved them).

somehow i'd missed that the shangri-las aren't in the hall of fame -- that's inexcusable.

I thought he was being out and out dismissive of the Zombies, describing the first hits as "effectively" Beatles-esque before bringing in the genuine article for comparison (BTW, were the Zombies included in his discog in Stranded? Don't have a copy anymore to check.) Which is classic Greil down to how off-base it is as an argument--I get a feeling he hasn't heard much else of their work since it was new, and if he had, perhaps he'd realize there was way more to the band than the three hits.

He's right that The Shangri-Las should be considered, although it's understandable that they haven't given the bias of the voting body towards Rock vs. Girl Group Pop. Looking at the inductees list (and discounting the Supremes and Martha & The Vandellas, because MOTOWN), the Shirelles ('96), the Ronettes ('07) and Darlene Love ('11) are literally the only performers from the genre that have made it in.

They're not as cool, but one could make the same argument he made for the Crystals, Lesley Gore, or Dionne Warwick (holy shit @ that one too).

wait, dionne warwick isn't in? wtf is wrong w/people???

Slayer should be in the Hall and so should Dionne Warwick and they should collabo on a medley of "Seasons in the Abyss/Walk on By" at the ceremony

I love how the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame", which conveniently gets ignored when one of their favorite "not rock but rock-adjacent" acts gets in.

[the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame"

instead, they should say, "oh shit, we just assumed we'd already inducted her! sorry!" that would be a better, and more believable, argument.

I’m gonna be hella cyclical and say the Shirelles are in b/c the Beatles, and Ronettes b/c Phil Spector.

*Cynical (lol)

It really should just be renamed the Pop Music HoF anyway.

It should be renamed "A List of a Bunch of Musicians"

Greenwich/Barry are in as non-performers, at least: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/ellie-greenwich-and-jeff-barry

Slayer probably is still too controversial?

oh yeah I was totally kidding about them

I’m really surprised the NY Dolls aren’t in, either... How deep does the “Great Big Kiss” conspiracy go??