huh I just kinda assumed it would be expensive and never tried to buy a copy, but now you mention it there's copies in OK condition starting around £13
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 11 October 2018 10:35 (five years ago) link
tbh I also think the USA LP does similar thing better, but they are both good
THere's a 2nd White Noise lp from 1975 that's more electronic and less folky and weird. It's up on Spotify.Sounds like it's more serious in intent.
There was a good remaster of the 1st lp on cd about 10 years ago I think it was an improvement on the previous version I had anyway.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:25 (five years ago) link
Jefferson Airplane, After Bathing At Baxter’s .Never dug into their work before, and I’ve listened to this thing 20 times in the last few days. Crown and Volunteers are no slouches, either.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
Jaki Byard's Out Front
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
xp There's some great live JA stuff from late 67 and throughout 68 that's worth looking out for too. I think all the Spencer Dryden stuff is worthwhile but especially the 2nd 3 lps.& the solo stuff on Grunt is worth hearing too.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
I mean, check out the rest of the “main” albums first. The debut is an underappreciated classic!
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
It's not just you.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
xp Yeah, “Takes Off”... it’s my favorite, next to “Volunteers.”
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
jefferson airplane are a ridiculously underrated live band as far as i'm concerned.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 11 October 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
Jack fucking Casady
― brimstead, Thursday, 11 October 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
I think they got a lot better when they started improvising which seems to be some time in early 67 from what I can remember from the loves You box set notes. & that seems to be the big thing with the sound on Baxters, not really hearing it on Pillow. THough Garcia is music director so would have thought he'd bring it with him
Grace Slick's previous band the Great Society were pretty great with improvising too. I love Darby Slick her Brother-in Law on their material, a deeply undersung, under-recorded raga influenced guitarist who took off for India to study the music further when grace decamped to JA.
& the comparison of early fairport Convention to them is nothing new. I think FA were referred to as the English JA quite a bit. Wish there was more live material around by them from their early years when the 2 female singers were onboard . Would like to hear how far Richard Thompson stretched out live, you get to hear some of it on the Bouton Rouge appearance from French TV when Judy Dyble was in the band, but I remember reading about him improvising a lot more.They were doing a lot of US singer/songwriter material before Ashley Hutchings discovered the Cecil Sharpe archives and they became the more traditional orientated band they've remained ever since.
― Stevolende, Friday, 12 October 2018 10:22 (five years ago) link
Coincidentally I've been listening to Jefferson Airplane quite a bit lately, I had a Best Of for years but only really knew Surrealistic Pillow outside that. Takes Off is really good, yeah. Baxters is pretty good too.
I also like their cover of High Flyin' Bird a lot, I downloaded what I thought was the original by Billy Edd Wheeler but it looks like he actually recorded that after the JA version (he wrote the song but wiki says Judy Henske did the first recording of it in 1963)
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 12 October 2018 10:33 (five years ago) link
Judy Henske was a pretty strident folk singer who went onto recording Farewell Alderbaraan with then husband Jerry Yester in 1969.I think that's a must hear lp, glad it finally got an official cd version a couple of years ago
― Stevolende, Friday, 12 October 2018 10:36 (five years ago) link
Jefferson Airplane is a major blind spot of mine, as I think I've mentioned at length before on ILM.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Friday, 12 October 2018 10:53 (five years ago) link
Amon Duul II tap into some of the same feeling though the sound is a bit more avant and teutonic. Their first 5 or 6 lps are well worth checking out too.
― Stevolende, Friday, 12 October 2018 11:13 (five years ago) link
Yes, I prefer Amon Duul II and Fairport to JA.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Friday, 12 October 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link
a couple things that strike me about JA:
* it wasn't just the core band, they had some really talented people in their periphery - there's this rolling band going out playing JA songs now and I believe both Darby Slick and Peter Kaukonen are involved, and I feel like, man, they're both great and should be recognized for more than just hanging out with the Airplane
* there are basically a ton of bands who copied the Jefferson Airplane male/female vocal/electric folk model, most of whom are now forgotten - you know, bands like HP Lovecraft. definitely a really influential band back in the day
* when it comes to them as a live outfit, they might pale next to people from europe, but, i will be controversial here - i think as a live band they were the best san francisco psychedelia had to offer. except for the dead, that scene is a little bit out of vogue right now because rolling stone pushes it so hard, but i gotta say, in '69 i truly believe that the airplane were a better live band than the dead (see: "sweeping up the spotlight")
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 12 October 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link
Link Wray's S/T 1971, mentioned up thread and covered extensively in Oxford American. Like Exile on Main St, and unlike a lot of other early 70s soul-rock, it brings the riffs, not just the depleted gaze and world-weary hooks.
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
Kleenex/LILIPUT, First Songs
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
some shit talk about this album itt but sweetheart of the rodeo by the byrds has been my album for about the last 6 months. play it about once a week.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
Whoever shit talks my sweetheart has a mouth that smells like shit - psalms 82
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
The Wipers, especially Youth Of America. no idea how I managed to avoid them until now, but I'm head over heels in love.
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
yesss that's the best one
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
i think that overall YOA is the best, but once you're ready to explore them so more there are some reaaaaally good songs on their surrounding releases. i just mention it because i also missed out on the wipers for a really long time, and even when i finally got into YOA, i kept missing out on other great stuff.
in particular, the first three tracks from Over the Edge are just UNSTOPPABLE - Over the Edge, Doom Town, So Young. the rest of the album flags a bit imo (which is why YOA is still the consensus best wipers album as a whole)
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
the title track of Over the Edge has one of the top 5 wordless choruses in guitar music of all time (i just made that list up and don't know what else is on it except for MBV's What You Want). i guess this advice goes for most wipers songs but it sounds particularly good when played at maximum volume
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
yeah that's some starting run. i never really listened to the wipers until i moved to vancouver, and then in the circles I'm around tire extremely popular and i feel like I've heard the title track to over the edge a hundred times since moving here and it's still awesome
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
can this be and pushing the extreme are so fucking great
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
right now the answer to this is Van Morrison's "Poetic Champions Compose" - much more loose and spacey than I expected
― sleeve, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
Youth of America has always been my fave Wipers album. The quintessential Wipers song is When It's Over which is about the most transcendental piece of music I have ever listened to in my life. I wrote about it in my blog a while ago.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
I was knocked out by this one too when I first heard it almost 10 years ago. I had no idea Wray had made music that sounded like that.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 14 January 2019 20:11 (five years ago) link
Coming out of a five year relationship, discovering Hats by the Blue Nile makes a lot of sense.
― Lemon Kitten (Dan.S.), Monday, 14 January 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/Natural-Essence-In-Search-Of-Happiness/master/233493"">guys
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 29 March 2019 00:57 (five years ago) link
fuck.
album's an absolute spewing volcano of pure heat tho
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 29 March 2019 00:58 (five years ago) link
Another for Kleenex/LiLiPUT. Only had "Madness" on a mix tape, and finally just listened to a bunch of others. Blows me away how good they were for early 80s.
― nicky lo-fi, Friday, 29 March 2019 13:26 (five years ago) link
Drexciya and side projects, Der Zyklus II in particular
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 29 March 2019 13:31 (five years ago) link
rajie - espresso
another mid-'80s record along the lines of akina nakamori's "fushigi", who knew there was more than one great cocteau twins-influenced j-pop record from the mid-80s?
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Friday, 29 March 2019 14:15 (five years ago) link
sry, this is the album i was trying to link before i opened up a wormhole: https://www.discogs.com/Natural-Essence-In-Search-Of-Happiness/master/233493
it's a david axelrod / cannonball Adderley affiliated jazz / soul album
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
Kleenex First Songs 2LP on Mississippi/Kill Rock Stars sounds fantastic, for some reason much bigger than the 2CD version represented on Spotify. Definitely a favorite discovery of recent years.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 29 March 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
The Residents Fingerprince.Probably about tiime i was familiar with all that early run though.NIce weird stuff like I've been looking for for years. I have meet The , & Not Available not sure why I never really got into the band massively. Also used to have Third Reich & Roll and Commercial lp but not sure what I listened to heavily. I think bits of Commercial stuck in my head for years though.
― Stevolende, Friday, 29 March 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link
i liked "leapmus" on the fingerprince preserved edition, overall the bonus tracks have been hit and miss but man i've never heard a version of "diskomo" i didn't like
the 180 gs just did a cover of the commercial album, i think overall the commercial album doesn't quite work as a conceit for me, particularly since "ups and downs" is way better as a proper _song_, but i'm still a little curious
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link
Looks like the choice of bonus on a lot of these come from very different periods seeing a lot of 82 and 201-s. Would hope they'd keep things contemporary. Are things being released to the exclusion of things from the time or is there just little secretly stashed.Like this preserved edition otherwise though so may pick up the rest up to Eskimo. Really don't know after that.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 30 March 2019 08:05 (five years ago) link
they're releasing what they have, stevolende - a lot of it is later versions of the original songs on the album. you're not going to go wrong with '82 diskomo though, and some of the outtakes "contemporary" to the recordings are stuff that mostly deserves to be on the cutting room floor
was really enjoying what i heard of that 180 gs album, liked it better than the residents' version, i guess that's common for me though, i like the residents better as songwriters than as performers
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 March 2019 14:10 (five years ago) link
side a of Tarkus totally blew me away recently. I mean, damn!!!
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 March 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
in a very good way
― brimstead, Saturday, 30 March 2019 22:21 (five years ago) link
side a of tarkus is phenomenal (and i really dislike all other elp)
― seedy ron (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 31 March 2019 00:24 (five years ago) link
not sure it actually _needed_ to be a side-long epic but "eruption" bangs hard
― Jaki Liebowitz (rushomancy), Sunday, 31 March 2019 02:10 (five years ago) link
along the lines of akina nakamori's "fushigi"
thank you for bringing this album to my attention... what a remarkable pop record.
― visiting, Monday, 1 April 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
so a thing i like to do is go record shopping and buy classic albums / highly repsected cult classics i've never heard, load them up on my ipod and then hit shuffle and try to guess what i'm hearing.
on my last trip to amoeba, i picked up a couple glenn branca and cluster albums. when 'the acsension' came on i legitimately thought it was a deep cut off this comp. when a cluster track off sowiesoso came up, i was expecting adrian borland to start singing.
went back and listened to sowiesoso and zuckerzeit in full after being so awesomely stumped and, good god damn, those records are outstanding!
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 13 September 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link