Stevie is more defensible than Ringo by far, she at least has some iconic and unforgettable solo moments vs...whatever Ringo has done post-Beatles.
― omar little, Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
I would entertain a chat over drinks in which It Don't Come Easy, Early 1970, and Snookeroo >>> Stand Back, If Anyone Falls, etc
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
First two seasons of Thomas and Friends getting insufficient respect.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:29 (five years ago) link
His role as the Pope in Listztomania too.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
very cool story about dire straits' influence on tuareg musicians, but i'm voting tinariwen into my rrhof before i vote dire straits in.
Dude waht joan jett is incredible
this is a true fact.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 October 2018 04:21 (five years ago) link
^^This all just proves my point (about taste) when it comes to the batch of inducted artists... I don’t think there can be anything like a consensus “not quite worthy” pick.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Thursday, 11 October 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
I think I want to go with Chaka Khan & Rufus or mb the Zombies? i always feel like you need to fill yr hall with the ones who came first before you start letting the later years in but it never happenslike it is crazy to me that Janet or Def Leppard could go in before Chaka & Rufus!
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 October 2018 05:01 (five years ago) link
I must have looked away during Stevie Nicks's solo career. I like "Edge of Seventeen" and the song she did with Tom Petty. I know nothing else.
My list of people who warrant induction twice would be very small. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Neil Young, Lou Reed, and probably Eric Clapton (for the Yardbirds and Cream, not necessarily for his own albums, although I guess Layla counts as an Eric Clapton record). I've probably forgotten somebody. When Beyonce and Justin Timberlake go in twice, I'll be happily dead.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 October 2018 05:06 (five years ago) link
Mick Jagger is a five-star solo artist. Surely he'll get a slot. We're just a few years away from the 20th anniversary of his peak!
― saddest kamancheh (bendy), Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:31 (five years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:12 (nine hours ago) Permalink
fwiw, ringo got in with the hall's "Award for Musical Excellence," which according to wikipedia, "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers." other winners include leon russell, glyn johns, etc. he's not technically in the hall as a solo performer.
― nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 October 2018 12:48 (five years ago) link
reminds me of Zappa a bit, that combination of bitterness/sarcasm and ego and inclination towards being a show-off
― Οὖτις
but when the time came rundgren could be sincere, could write a love song, which zappa could never bring himself to do. god, what do you think zappa would have made of something like "healing"? and certainly zappa never could have written something like "just one victory".
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 11 October 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link
Another thing is Rundgren seemed to have a fairly healthy ego/self-image whereas Zappa always seemed riddled with insecurity to me.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
one redeeming factor that's always struck me personality-wise w/Todd (and this has absolutely nothing to do w his music, to be clear) is how highly Liv Tyler and Bebe Buell have publicly spoken of him re: being a father to Liv while she was growing up.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
That whole story is so strange, ha.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
ZOMS GLOM NOM; THOM'S QUALM
― mick signals, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
lmao is that real ?
― budo jeru, Monday, 15 October 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 8 November 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 9 November 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Wow, Kraftwerk, the Cure, and Radiohead?!
2019: the year the Rock HoF got good.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link
We'll find out in "December 2019" (they can't get more precise on that?)
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:22 (five years ago) link
*Dec. 2018
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
Radiohead 5 more votes than Def Lep GTFO
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 9 November 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
I agree, only 5 votes more!?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 9 November 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
two votes for the zombies ?
y’all are crazy
roxy music lol gtfo
― budo jeru, Friday, 9 November 2018 05:03 (five years ago) link
Are we voting for who we want to get in/most deserving in our eyes? Or predicting who will get in?― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, October 10, 2018This wasn’t (and still isn’t) clear to me, either...
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Friday, 9 November 2018 05:12 (five years ago) link
I don’t think I’ve even followed any HoF ceremony. How many winners are there? Previous years give me like 4 or 5 winners unless I’m reading it wrong.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 9 November 2018 06:45 (five years ago) link
Stevie Nicks 0
lmao
― billstevejim, Saturday, 10 November 2018 05:39 (five years ago) link
So I started listening to that Rock Hall podcast mentioned upthread. It's pretty damn charming. I thought it would be something enjoyable to hate-listen while stuck in traffic, but I'm actually kind of hooked.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
“Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2019 Inductees” (RockHall.com). The Zombies: two effectively Beatle-style Top 10 hits in 1965 (think of “She’s Not There” and “No Reply” — which one disappears in the face of the other?) and another one, boring even if the radio loves it, four years later. But when the Shangri-Las — “Remember (Walking in the Sand),” “Leader of the Pack,” “Give Him a Great Big Kiss,” “Out in the Streets” and “I Can Never Go Home Anymore” — three of them Top Ten in 1964 and 1965, one of them Number One, all of them not merely hits, but iconic — have never been nominated, let alone voted in, how can this mean anything at all? I don’t know if Janet Jackson or Def Leppard would agree, but I’d bet Stevie Nicks and Bryan Ferry would.
This made me laugh, because I've seen the same point made a thousand times in relation to Barry Bonds and/or Roger Clemens. I've always resisted the formulation when applied to baseball because, agree or disagree, I've always known why Bonds and Clemens have not (yet) been voted in--it's not some inexplicable mystery.
When it comes to the Shangri-Las, he may be onto something.
― clemenza, Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:07 (five years ago) link
(Greil Marcus--was going to post that on his thread but moved it over here.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:08 (five years ago) link
I'm all for putting the Shangri-Las in the MLB hall of fame
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:11 (five years ago) link
did dude just shit on "Time of the Season"
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:34 (five years ago) link
Shirelles and Ronettes are in; Shangs absolutely should be, too.
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link
i love time of the season and i think this year's rock hall class is a perfectly decent one, all things considered, and i'd take the shangri-las over every single one of 'em in a heartbeat.
and now that alan trammell's in the mlb hall, i'd be happy to devote my efforts to getting the shangri-las in there too.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 27 December 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
also, he didn't even mention "train from kansas city"
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 27 December 2018 02:11 (five years ago) link
to continue the baseball HOF analogy, using the Zombies' lower number of top ten hits against them is like Adrian Beltre making the HOF and some someone grousing about the fact that he made only 4 All Star games.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 December 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:34 AM (twenty hours ago)
i think he also just shit on "no reply" (tho, as so often with greil, you can't always be sure -- i assumed for years he hated the faces because of a line in his old rod stewart essay that seemed like a dismissal, but he said recently in the ask-GM column that he loved them).
somehow i'd missed that the shangri-las aren't in the hall of fame -- that's inexcusable.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 27 December 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
I thought he was being out and out dismissive of the Zombies, describing the first hits as "effectively" Beatles-esque before bringing in the genuine article for comparison (BTW, were the Zombies included in his discog in Stranded? Don't have a copy anymore to check.) Which is classic Greil down to how off-base it is as an argument--I get a feeling he hasn't heard much else of their work since it was new, and if he had, perhaps he'd realize there was way more to the band than the three hits.
He's right that The Shangri-Las should be considered, although it's understandable that they haven't given the bias of the voting body towards Rock vs. Girl Group Pop. Looking at the inductees list (and discounting the Supremes and Martha & The Vandellas, because MOTOWN), the Shirelles ('96), the Ronettes ('07) and Darlene Love ('11) are literally the only performers from the genre that have made it in.
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
They're not as cool, but one could make the same argument he made for the Crystals, Lesley Gore, or Dionne Warwick (holy shit @ that one too).
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
wait, dionne warwick isn't in? wtf is wrong w/people???
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
Slayer should be in the Hall and so should Dionne Warwick and they should collabo on a medley of "Seasons in the Abyss/Walk on By" at the ceremony
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
I love how the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame", which conveniently gets ignored when one of their favorite "not rock but rock-adjacent" acts gets in.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:14 (five years ago) link
[the usual argument by haters against the Warwicks, etc is that "omg it's the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame"
instead, they should say, "oh shit, we just assumed we'd already inducted her! sorry!" that would be a better, and more believable, argument.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
I’m gonna be hella cyclical and say the Shirelles are in b/c the Beatles, and Ronettes b/c Phil Spector.
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
*Cynical (lol)
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
It really should just be renamed the Pop Music HoF anyway.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:24 (five years ago) link
It should be renamed "A List of a Bunch of Musicians"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
Greenwich/Barry are in as non-performers, at least: https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/ellie-greenwich-and-jeff-barry
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
Slayer probably is still too controversial?
― Siegbran, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
oh yeah I was totally kidding about them
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link