thread of mandy (2018), melted psychedelic drone directed by panos cosmatos

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the movie is obviously about jung's red book according to taylorholmes.com
https://taylorholmes.com/2018/09/16/the-movie-mandys-beginning-middle-and-ending-decoded/

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

pacing/plotting problems

this is style, imo, but yeah this movie is only marginally less slow than black rainbow (but i've also found that ppl who find black rainbow tedious can think this one's a real thrill ride, who can say)

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

i argue that the movie is also about setting up a scenario that involves a chainsaw battle

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:15 (one year ago) link

re: pacing, i watched Mandy a day after watching The Sentinel for the first time, and it seemed to fly by

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:16 (one year ago) link

chainsaw vs. extended chainsaw was when i gave myself over to the second half of this movie completely

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:16 (one year ago) link

if I wasn't clear on the other thread, my problem with Black Rainbow wasn't with how slow it was as much as it was that the film retained that glacial pace even when all the tension and dread had already been leached out of the story - ie, everything that happens after she escapes the compound. The ending is one of the stupidest deus ex machina copouts I've ever seen, and he dragged it way the fuck out. At that point the pacing worked against the film.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:19 (one year ago) link

you might like this one a lot more then

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:21 (one year ago) link

i also don't really know how the ending of black rainbow is a deus ex machina but i'll take your word for it. i find that movie's gradual transformation from a moody '70s cronenbergian body horror thing into a traditional slasher extremely charming

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:23 (one year ago) link

which, mandy does a similar thing: it pretty fearlessly goes wherever it's going to go

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:29 (one year ago) link

I preferred Beyond the Black Rainbow, which I know is bizarre.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:44 (one year ago) link

i also don't really know how the ending of black rainbow is a deus ex machina but i'll take your word for it

SPOILIDAD

the central conflict is resolved by the villain *tripping on a fucking rock and braining himself* iirc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:47 (one year ago) link

yeah he does that bc the protagonist is psychic

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:50 (one year ago) link

if all she had to do was make him trip on a rock why did she spend all that time running away

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:51 (one year ago) link

i mean, she freezes him in place and the moment he tries to break out of her control he dies in an embarrassing and dumb way, which i think is a fitting end for an acid-melted entitled male monster

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:53 (one year ago) link

but the particular path mandy takes is more satisfying/cathartic and less anticlimactic than the end of black rainbow so again i'm pretty certain you'll like it more

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:54 (one year ago) link

I'm guessing if I don't like gore/brutality Black Rainbow is a better choice?

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

hard to say, i remember the deaths in black rainbow all being pretty gross in one way or another

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:20 (one year ago) link

splitting heads hairs imo

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:21 (one year ago) link

you're either into his super slow mutated sense of pacing or not tbh, it's not really more complicated than that

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:35 (one year ago) link

The slowness of Mandy wasn't a problem. It does have a peculiar way of leaving in slack moments which most movies would cut, and uses tons of slow fades where most movies would have a hard cut. This worked really well in the creeping ambience of the first half. The slightly more tedious moments for me were the less visually compelling ones, like the visit to the pharmacist in the radio tower.

jmm, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:45 (one year ago) link

That felt like a nod to the eye clinic in Blade Runner to me. But it didn't quite pull off the febrile deranged feeling he was clearly shooting for.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:30 (one year ago) link

pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:41 (one year ago) link

this was super agonizing to watch, very few parts i enjoyed (such as chainsaw battle), would not do it again

forensic plumber (harbl), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:37 (one year ago) link

did you go to the cinema though

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:09 (one year ago) link

i've seen it twice now, once in cinema and once not in cinema, and i don't like going to the theatre but i'd argue it's kinda necessary for that movie

vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 03:15 (one year ago) link

Still waiting with increasing irritation for literally any theater in the sixth-largest city in the United States to get this. We had one host the one-night premiere, which I blew off for something else since the same email said "opening September 14," but since then the only option has been a 90-minute round trip to Bethlehem, PA.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 15:33 (one year ago) link

after being extended a week here, it's being brought back tomorrow after a week off: get a cheap flight to Seattle, I'll go see it again.

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:40 (one year ago) link

hasn't been mentioned yet, i don't think, but the soundtrack rules. the last work of Jóhann Jóhannsson. i especially liked the black metal snippets, like when Red is going down the tunnel toward Jeremiah.

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:47 (one year ago) link

was mentioned in other threads' discussion before Brad sensibly split this one off

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 18:07 (one year ago) link

"Amulet of the Weeping Maze" is song of the year.

jmm, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 21:19 (one year ago) link

yes i saw it in the cinema, if this was on a tv i would have just turned it off lol

forensic plumber (harbl), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 23:06 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah, there's a song from Red and the character's name is Red. I understand this movie now.

jmm, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:41 (one year ago) link

since then the only option has been a 90-minute round trip to Bethlehem, PA

what rough beast, its hours come round at last, &c &c

hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:05 (one year ago) link

did not enjoy "beyond the black rainbow", but i was going to take a shot on this

sadly looks like tonight will be the last showing here, in theory i could drive to LA but it's only showing at midnight there. does that mean it's not doing so well?

the late great, Friday, 12 October 2018 03:58 (one year ago) link

the original release was one night only, so it's been doing great

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Friday, 12 October 2018 07:53 (one year ago) link

Has been brought back to the AFI Silver for at least one more week; have a ticket for tonight.

Accattony! Accattoni! Accattoné! (j.lu), Friday, 12 October 2018 13:57 (one year ago) link

well i rented it on itunes and - it was great!!

the late great, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:40 (one year ago) link

RLJ Entertainment, known for releasing genre movies ("Brawl in Cell Block 99," "Bone Tomahawk") and has handled movies starring Cage in the past ("Rage," "Dog Eat Dog," "Pay the Ghost"), moved forward with the usual game plan for "Mandy."

They released it in 75 theaters its first week, and had Cosmatos, Cage, and costar Linus Roache show up for live Q&As following some special Thursday-night screenings before its opening weekend, the hope being that exposure and the 94% Rotten Tomatoes score the movie has would bring in the audiences that a limited marketing budget a day-and-date movie can't.

And boy did it work.

And then something unusual happened: Instead of people ordering the movie on VOD, they took to social media and demanded a wider release so that "Mandy" could open at a theater near them.

https://www.businessinsider.com/surprise-success-of-nicolas-cage-movie-mandy-causes-shift-in-theater-release-strategy-2018-10

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 12 October 2018 16:45 (one year ago) link

BRISTOL, Tenn. – A man who police say was run over with a lawn mower while trying to kill his son with a chain saw has had to have his leg amputated.

violent incidents that aren't in Mandy

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 October 2018 21:55 (one year ago) link

"pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies"

yesss

akm, Sunday, 14 October 2018 16:49 (one year ago) link

i think this is my favorite movie of the year. is it insane to hope that it gets oscar consideration? cage, Riseborough, director, cinematographer....all deserve some recognition.

akm, Sunday, 14 October 2018 19:13 (one year ago) link

also i like to think of the two blonde cult members as 'slack jawed yokel 1 and slack jawed yokel 2'

akm, Sunday, 14 October 2018 19:13 (one year ago) link

"pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies"

yesss


lol I liked this movie but no thanks

circa1916, Sunday, 14 October 2018 22:48 (one year ago) link

Yeah I can see the result being interesting, but Cosmatos’ style works best on a smaller scale IMO. Plus we already have the Lynch Dune.

latebloomer, Sunday, 14 October 2018 23:28 (one year ago) link

Peter Travers of Rolling Stone calls Mandy 'a hoot, a real old-fashioned good-timey romp! See it with your best gal's ma!'

Kinda feel like there's a stain on my soul now that I can never fully scour away. Fuckin' evil. Deeply admire the commitment to pulling zero punches. Not sure I ever need to see it again. Fairly sure I will nonetheless see it again soon.

Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 01:51 (one year ago) link

(I joked that Cosmatos wanted to drop an isolated slice of cinema verite into the proceedings and asked Cage to go through his usual morning bathroom routine while the cameras rolled.)

Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 01:55 (one year ago) link

Also: looking for recommendations of other films that exude unrelenting cosmic darkness (Possession is as far as I've gotten thus far).

Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 01:57 (one year ago) link

I'd say THE WITCH is pretty good at that

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:05 (one year ago) link

I’ll throw in my usual recommendation of The Lords Of Salem.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:54 (one year ago) link

I also recommend STARRY EYES.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:58 (one year ago) link

Mandy is the best :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 28 June 2019 01:56 (five months ago) link

It's really great!

gbx, Friday, 28 June 2019 02:55 (five months ago) link

I didn't vote in the film poll because I didn't see enough 2018 films to make it worth anyone's while but if I had Mandy would've been my #1, no question.

I Ate Those Food (Old Lunch), Friday, 28 June 2019 03:10 (five months ago) link

came #5 in the film poll yesterday btw folks: I Just Wanted To Take Another Look At You - the 2018 ILX Film Poll Results Thread

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 28 June 2019 21:06 (five months ago) link

this was prob the best time i've ever seen it, they cranked the volume at momi and it was almost uncomfortably loud and i was so high, waves of vibrations, total sensory overload

in the q&a aaron stewart-ahn referred to magic mike xxl as a masterpiece, my kind of person

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 June 2019 06:54 (five months ago) link

I follow him on twitter! I can’t remember when I did so, but it was way before Mandy. I think he interacted with or knows s1ocki?

mh, Sunday, 30 June 2019 13:49 (five months ago) link

magic mike xxl is a fucking marvel

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 30 June 2019 13:50 (five months ago) link

excited to fry my friends' brains w/ this today

Simon H., Sunday, 30 June 2019 14:03 (five months ago) link

also apparently the shared cinematic reference between stewart-ahn and panos for this film was cyborg

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 June 2019 14:06 (five months ago) link

well this certainly delivered

in a funny way it felt like every scene was better than the one before it

Οὖτις, Monday, 1 July 2019 15:00 (five months ago) link

not untrue imo, it just keeps building in about fifteen different ways as it goes on

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 July 2019 15:02 (five months ago) link

Friend introduces me to "panos"

Me after shaking his hand to friend: "panos cosmatos?"

In hindsight he could totally hear.

How not to be.

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 6 July 2019 08:51 (five months ago) link

so was it

mh, Saturday, 6 July 2019 14:33 (five months ago) link

Yes

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:25 (five months ago) link

I saw a midnight screening of Mandy last night. (Sadly underattended; The Room and Rocky Horror proved to be bigger draws. And I brought a flask to drink along with the bathroom scene.) What got me is that both Mandy and Midsommar culminate in triangular structures, built for ritual purposes. Was this a coincidence, or do such buildings commonly occur in vernacular architecture?

Also, between these two movies I'll never look at folkloric embroidery the same again. But then I never was the customer for such garments.

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Monday, 15 July 2019 00:08 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

How is it that I'm only just now realizing that the director of Mandy is the son of the director of Cobra?

Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:22 (two months ago) link

OMG what if Mandy's demon bikers are just Cobra's axe-clanking cultists after thirty years of drug-induced mutation? I don't care if it's incoherent, I declare it to be so.

Welcome To My Lifemare (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:47 (two months ago) link

cobra is definitely batshit in a not-entirely-dissimilar way to mandy but its derangement is based in hyper-reaganite leather-glove-fetishism instead of melted psychedelic drone

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 14:55 (two months ago) link

wait until you find out his first film was paid for by dvd residuals from Tombstone

mh, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 15:12 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Love is showing off your Cheddar Goblin t-shirt to your out-of-town guests only to learn that they've each arrived with their own different Mandy-related t-shirts.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Saturday, 12 October 2019 01:03 (two months ago) link

🥰

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Saturday, 12 October 2019 01:26 (two months ago) link

really love the whole story about cage insisting that he play red

Well, when I first met with Panos, he told me he wanted me to play Jeremiah Sand, and I said, “Why?” And he said, “Well, I see him as the California Klaus Kinski.” And I said, “Well, I am the California Klaus Kinski, but I want to play Red.” ... I did not want to play Jeremiah Sand. I felt that I had gone through enough life experience. Not that I can’t work from the imagination, I normally do, but I had enough life experience contending the failure of my third marriage and still trying to recover from the loss of my father after many, many years. Still not just quite over it. As I look at these footnotes here from the talking points that coincide with Panos himself, that I … having had experiences with loss, certainly family loss, I was in step with that.
I felt I could play Red authentically and organically and put those feelings of loss in a productive place as opposed to a destructive place, and a constructive place. And so, that’s why I gravitated towards Red. I just felt that I could go after the cult and the demon bikers in a way that was in his world, but had some sort of sound of truth.

― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:31 PM (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is why I love Nic Cage and why this movie really works. There’s such a genuine core of raw emotion underneath the fantastical trappings

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 October 2019 06:37 (two months ago) link


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