Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals

I can count on one hand the number of women I know that are past childbearing age that don't regret not having children. those hormones are *intense*

and last time I checked the human population was still expanding/reproducing

oof

women are hormonal right enough

that is a hard one to parse tbh

men have evolved to the point where we mostly want to make children in order to pass on our musical tastes

then i doubly urge ilxors to refrain

tombot otm. For some couples it is extremely easy to not have children and also save money. Absolutely no regrets. Having a period already feels like being hungover, having the flu and eating way too much pasta all at once. Pregnancy is way too much stress on the body.

My mom also worries about me not having kids and dying alone. I just start on my "we all die alone" monologue.

I don't disagree with your last post Mordy but I think the idea of imperative is nebulous and I'm not sure of its explanatory power. We might well be products of desires we're not conscious of but without some maths I dunno. Not that I'm disagreeing, I just think selfish gene theory needs fleshing out.

my dad asked me just once about it i pointed out my civil service pension for future requirements and his own performance as a historical argument against

selfish gene theory has an addendum noting that individual reproductive drive/output drops depending on species/pack environment stressors iirc so yknow maybe that

I've felt for a long while that pure evolutionary theories tend to ignore the spanners that culture throws I their works.

there's an interesting bit in triste tropiques about how one of the tribes levi-strauss pals about with dislike having children, are openly negative about pregnancy and childbearing, and use abortifacients. the obvious idea is that in their parlous situation they don't need more mouths to feed, but none of the other tribes he encounters, in similar circumstances, are similar in that respect. culture is a weird thing

also you can have sex now without having kids idk if they have this where ye are but its a big deal where im from

all you bloody lot who don't want kids still bloody moan on and on on here. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW FREE YOU ARE, YOU SWEET FOOLS

(obviously lots of delightful exceptions)

which is to say, I have kids, I love them, I don't particularly love anyone else's kids, but man it is hard in these early years. I fully recognise I've got some sort of Stockholm Syndrome where my experience of what 'a nice time' is has been drastically downgraded

fucking without kids has often been a big problem for most catholic priests.

which is to say that "kids", like "people", is pretty weak as an abstract concept

Lol xp

It's frankly astounding how resolute I, my siblings, and numerous cousins on my mom's side (only one of whom has yet to make it to/past his thirties) are in making sure the family line dies with the lot of us.

Lunch, uh, finds a way

xp Jealous! I wish that was what could bond me and my bro and sis, but alas. Sis has kids, bro dying to have kids (into IVF trajecotry now, he hates my guts for not wanting kids rn), it's not working out that way.

that wish is a bit fucked up for your nieces and/or nephews

My mom is recently mad at me (again) because I am not leaving my brothers or their kids anything in my will. I only made a will because it was free to do. But also, it's shitty to expect anything to be left to you when someone dies.

(My parents only made a will a couple years ago and I was incensed because, like, I was well into adulthood!)

Supposedly my brothers just finally decided to make a will and want to ask me to take care of the kids in case anything happens (considering one is a cop married to a firefighter, uh). But they won't ask me directly and keep asking my mom instead.

i was left funeral expenses in one will and ive asked the other one to if nothin else just cover that pls and thankyou otherwise yeah fuck wills

I'm all for 100% inheritance tax

My entire family voted for Trump so I told them that I am leaving all my money to Planned Parenthood and Black Lives Matter.

Apparently we’ll inherit like a few million when my dad apparently decides to bite the big one

xp if you reluctantly accept and end up remolding the kids of your trump loving brother into excellent humans, you could sell the movie rights

xp a few million divided by infinity is still zero i'm afraid

I lost my mind after the election when I heard that the kids in their schools loved Trump because Hillary was a liar and the kids are taught not to lie.

It's frankly astounding how resolute I, my siblings, and numerous cousins on my mom's side (only one of whom has yet to make it to/past his thirties) are in making sure the family line dies with the lot of us.

This does feel weird, it's the only part of not having kids that I feel a little guilty about. All those Jews who survived through the years. Not guilty enough to make me have kids, but I wish I had a sibling who was taking care of that.

Then again, that's what comes of a family who only got one kid out of five siblings (my mom's side), that's kinda on them. And there's tons of mental health issues so it's probably good that that side is done. And I do have cousins with kids on my dad's side.

Yerac, my mom also expressed concern over my not leaving anything to my (single and childless) brother, which is weird because wtf he doesn’t need $. We’re gonna be the last stop on the family privilege train.

hear hear!

Inheritance law/ finance is a textbook example of how the (relatively) neutral fact of reproduction is politicized into reinforcement of a system

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton)
Posted: October 9, 2018 at 1:44:17 PM
xp a few million divided by infinity is still zero i'm afraid

Close

I’m sure it’ll be more like $300k per person when all is set and done

U kno the gubmint

i'm just gonna declare my will on ILX, 77 dollars to you all except for those of you who FP'd me in the past

I wld never give ne money to u commie fux0rs

Wanna c all o u workin hard fer yr paycheck

How would I even go about leaving money to ilx? And what would ilx do with it?

ilx would just spend it all on hen fap

pay the server bill without a pledge drive i guess

I could endow an old folks home for indigent ilxors but who would i appoint trustee? Treeship young but no. Ned too old.

ilx would never agree on how much to give the server

Ha!

I have kids, I love them, I don't particularly love anyone else's kids, but man it is hard in these early years. I fully recognise I've got some sort of Stockholm Syndrome where my experience of what 'a nice time' is has been drastically downgraded

― kinder, Tuesday, October 9, 2018 3:54 PM (two hours ago)

feeling this wheeeeeewww

i suppose so many people having children despite the fact that they've seen how crappy it looks to be the parent of young children shows that humans are not generally motivated by hedonism above all

masochism