US Politics, October 2018: next week will be even longer

Well the civil rights movement had an impact

what's happening here

i don't see what any of the supreme court stuff is if not the ruthless consolidation of long term power

Feminism more broadly has, even though the work is ongoing. The gay rights movement has been an incredible thing to witness. Again, the work isn’t done, but gay marriage is the law of the land and anti-gay bigotry is considered unacceptable in many places throughout the country. That’s a change

can you stop

what's happening here

― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 1:15 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It was explained rather succinctly by last month's thread title but it certainly still applies to this one and likely those that follow.

can you stop

yeah this is stupid

The groundswell movements in the USA in my life haven't had an enduring impact on USA culture

I mean c'mon this is ridiculous

(It's difficult to translate into text the alternating bouts of wild laughter and hysterical sobbing which accompany the fingers' journey across the keyboard, do u see.)

are you not even self-aware enough to realize that predictions you made just in this thread have already been shown to be completely wrong

who, me?

I think he meant me

I was saying kavanaugh could never be confirmed after all the perjury

it's ok, most of us done it, too. "THIS is the moment that america turns against trump", etc, after one of the dozens of times it should have been obvious to anyone that he should be thrown out of office ASAP

You were saying Kavanaugh will be forever stained because of the allegations of sexual abuse against him. He will not, trust me. xp

Concentrate on November, people.

We're in a pretty crazy moment of accelerationism. I thought for sure I was gonna go as Toad for Halloween but no one's gonna get the reference because it felt like it was 20 years ago by now. At this point it's worthless to speculate on what Kavanaugh is gonna do for midterm results because there's still a month to go. Isn't Mueller's report due any day now?

I thought it had been suggested that the date given for sentencing of Flynn would be one of the last things in the investigation and since that has already been inked in it might mean the case would be complete by that date. It's mid December isn't it?

Has anyone suggested that he just be referred to as "Rapist judge Kavanaugh" forever? Surely this is doable?

I think you should all best remember that rumors that Mueller's wrapping up his investigation best suit people for whom it would be really helpful if in fact he did so.

Ummm…. do you think Ivanka might have got a new job? (All of those new follows yesterday.) pic.twitter.com/DdtQDWFOOG

— James O'Malley (@Psythor) October 9, 2018

at this point I would maybe prefer Mueller's report didn't come out until after the midterms. I mean, if you thought Kavanaugh amped up the right-wing persecution machine...

jared is going to be the UN guy so they can move back to new york

Does the UN get to reject potential representatives?

"Jared is such a hidden genius that no one understands. To redo the NAFTA deal the way he did. What I’ve done working with him on the Middle East peace plan ... it is so unbelievably well-done."

- nikki haley, understandable, tangible genius

holy christ I never thought she was much of an intellect but she sounds exactly like trump.

haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRYYqEgT9uI

cmon..........ted is gold

Linklater delivers

Knowing the kind of film nerd Linklater is, the "Ted" thing probably is a tribute to the actor's "Brad" here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWHHQ3Rz534

I'm all of arguments with people on my FB feed who attack Dems for attacking the Green Party for throwing the election to Donald Trump. Someone give me a couple lines.

Green Party nominated a moron (Jill Stein) that the Russians used like a stooge - and look what it got us

very original

it was literally some fifth column shit

We made it one week without re-litigating 2016.

You have to vote for a lizard or the wrong lizard might get in.

supporting the green party mostly makes sense if you believe the results of elections have no meaningful consequences and we're living through a pretty good example of that not being true

people who hated HRC enough to vote for Jill Stein were never gonna vote for Clinton even if libbots got their wish and all minor-party candidates were banned from the ballot

hell, can you prove Trump didn't vote for Stein

it was literally some fifth column shit

Tail Gunner Shakey McCarthy 2020

we also can't prove you didn't vote for trump

we also can't prove you are not parodying Dem idiots, honey

good act if you are, btw

the argument is always that those weren't Clinton (or Gore, or whoever)'s votes to lose. It neatly elides the fact that Stein voters a) assumed the outcome of the election did not actually matter (hence the vote for a candidate they knew had no chance of winning) and b) never seriously considered whether their interests aligned more with Clinton's than with Trump's (usually because they are viewed as "interchangeable" or some such other demonstrably untrue nonsense)

It's a hard lesson to learn, but voting is not an expression of one's personal ethics. It has always been, and will always be, a strategic expression of public will to advance specific interests.

but yeah I'm p tired of re-re-re-re-relitigating this argument

I resisted this conclusion myself for a long time, but at the federal level, the US is a two-party system. As disappointing/evil as the Dems are, pretending otherwise is pointless and then it's pretty hard to argue with Shakey's b) there

My prez vote, like Susan Sarandon's, will be utterly meaningless again in 2020. i think there's at least a 40% chance I will vote for the Dem candidate.

you could move to Iowa!

morbs which potential 2020 Dem candidates would you definitely not vote for under any circumstances

stein voters - the group of dedicated nihilists and/or people who don't understand math - probably mattered less than stein adding fuel to the 'it doesn't matter, of course clinton will win' narrative. and it's not like she was the only thing fueling that.

also as much as I like to rag on the green party, if we are to assume there's always gonna be some small 3rd party drag on the election, stein probably 'helped' in that she was a fairly terrible candidate and even bernie bros never got stein-hyped.

voting is good again baby