Suede

yeah DMS and debut clearly in a league of their own, Coming Up v different but almost great, the rest nowhere near

imo

Obviously the first two albums are a notch above but I really think this is the best one since then - both of those things can be true!

Yeah, I was talking about the many comments I read (not here, I think) saying it is their best after, not since, DMS !
(btw, my favourite is not DMS but the first one)

Agreed - the first album is not just my favourite Suede album but one of my favourite albums period

coming up is great & Beautiful Ones is one of their best, anti Coming Up fans confuse the hell out of me

The most baffling thing to me is why Brett keeps mentioning in interviews him digging up a dead bird to show his young son, as if that's a good idea

idk the decay of life is a p metal thing to teach your kids

The kid will end up with a heavy metal stutter then

Yeah that digging up a dead bird to show his young son the skeleton/corpse is... heavy.
That’s his goth/dark side (or star), I guess.

Btw I’ve listened to the whole album and... really don’t understand the hype.

Second volume of Anderson memoirs forthcoming:

https://www.thebookseller.com/news/suedes-brett-anderson-pens-sequel-memoir-871436

woo ! I didn't care at all for the first volume but I'm quite curious about this one !

I still haven't heard the new album, but the first four and a couple others -- woof.

Boy, was this thing hyped, even on these shorts.

Was wondering if this was a typo. Still wondering.

Ahah

the style of a woman, the kiss of a man

I absolutely love the S/T but have never managed to enjoy any of their subsequent albums despite my habitual preference for more progressive and dramatic stylings.

coming up is my fave cuz "trash" is so perfect any random nine songs could follow and still resonate

haha, I like that take

Coming Up definitely shares a certain immediacy with the debut. I should revisit Head Music (which was better than I remembered the last I listened) and New Morning (which ... was not?). And also the Tears album, which I always forget is out there. My go-tos remain Dog Man Star and Night Thoughts, with the debut not far behind.

coming up is my fave cuz "trash" is so perfect any random nine songs could follow and still resonate

the year it came out I could not stop freaking out about its greatness and it can still reach me at the "this song is specifically for a version of me who once existed" level

I've never been that much of a huge Suede fan but I dyed my hair black because of Trash

this year, everyone will become a huge Suede fan

Xpost
Yeah the Tears album is my 3rd favourite « Suede » album !

I've been listening again to their old albums due to this thread and that made me think that there was something special that made me love their debut (and to a lesser extent, "DMS"), besides the fact that I adored Butler as teenager learning to play the guitar, but I never really thought about what it was.
There was something mysterious and different to their songs and sound, especially on the first album and its singles/bsides.
OK there's all the glam, bowie, smiths etc but I always thought there was something else that these obvious references didn't have.
It's sensual, dark, impressionist, violently romantic...
And lately I realized that their music of that time reminded me of french late 19th/early 20th century classical. Especially Debussy (and Ravel too).
Listening to the debut a lot lately, I found out there is something in the structure, arrangements and melodies of many songs that evoke that musical approach.
For instance "She's not dead" could almost be a Debussy song (same with "Black and Blue").
And to me, the whole debut has that atmosphere that makes it so different from all the other british bands referenced (and their own albums after "DMS").
On "DMS", there are many touches that remind this too : "We are the pigs", with the blaring horns that announce the Ravelesque arrangements of "Still life" (especially the "Bolero" final).
There's "Black or Blue" as mentioned, which is not even pop music, to me (and it's quite impressive - or crazy, to release that in the middle of Britpop mania !).
That said, "DMS" has less of that early 20th french classical elegance and sensual charm than the debut. It's more a rock album.
That might be the reason why the debut had such a special and strong impact on me (and still has, everytime I go back to it).

someone else also really liked Trash

https://youtu.be/4Z9mvUCL-5U

That's a rip-off, no doubt, but a bloody good one.

booming post alxtc, i often wonder why the debut sounds like nothing else

Thanks !
Listening to « Pantomime Horse », it’s also so obvious (all these amazing guitar lines undulating and hitting like an orchestra... it’s a submerged cathedral of sounds ! also the bass grooves adds to sensuality)

Naturally, I think the new album is incredible although it wasn't as immediate for me as either Bloodsports or Night Thoughts and it took a couple of listens to click - this is probably their least poppiest record so far, but it's also one of their very best. I'm comfortable with saying that I find their three most recent albums as good as their first three. What amazes me is that this is the same line-up that were responsible for Head Music... they had this stuff in them all along! Brilliant.

Not surprising to see AlXTC from Paris shitting on it like he has done with everything Suede did after Butler left, mind.

Ahah. You know I actually LIKED Coming Up, Head Music and Night Thoughts !
I simply don't consider them in the same league as the first period (particularly the debut + bsides). If you do, we just don't enjoy and look for the same things in music... and that's perfectly fine !

As for "shitting on Night Thoughts", you may need a reminder... :

I enjoyed it upon release (surprisingly since I never cared about Bloodsport) but somehow, it's associated with dark, gloomy moments so I haven't felt like listening to it since then.
I remember there are very good (if not brilliant) tracks and the whole thing works well.
Nowhere near their first two albums (+ SCFI#1) though.
I might give it another try.

I'm also surprised I didn't participate in this thread initially !

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 27 April 2017 10:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Don't mind Turrican gravely misrepresenting your remarks, AIXTC. He's just trying to get banned again.

Oh I'm totally fine. I'm all love (and poison) !

Trailer for the upcoming Suede doc (or 'shit haircuts I have had, 1993-2018')https://t.co/4hO8S6wdEr

— Mat Osman (@matosman) November 7, 2018

This looks amazing, especially all the cam footage. I really would like to watch this as it's broadcast but.. jeez I can't buy Sky.

Should be great, hopes it's more than just Suede Behaving Badly.

Has Bernard been interviewed for this?

Was wondering that, too. Did not see his name listed in the NME piece linked to in the tweet. He is in the trailer though, one shot of him made me think it was taken sometime post-Suede but I'm not sure...

From the trailer it just looks like bits from the interviews on those album reissues a few years back.

.. this ere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHuvoELaII

Remarkable to think they're on their fourth album in the reunion -- one away from matching the amount of the first run!

AUTOFICTION, the upcoming album from Suede featuring lead single 'She Still Leads Me On', is available to pre-order now from https://t.co/3DTE4GKm6z. pic.twitter.com/JmxeIZv2xl

— Suede HQ (@suedeHQ) May 23, 2022

Suede, made up of Brett Anderson, Mat Osman, Simon Gilbert, Richard Oakes and Neil Codling, went “back to basics” for this new record according to a press statement.

Yes, but was there a room?

5 guys, 1 room

Bloodsports was a 'back to basics' effort that fell almost completely flat imo, and the last two albums have been pretty great, so...hmm

That new single gives me no hope of great things to come... But I'm not really representative of their public anymore I guess since I didn't really care for any of their latest albums.

I still haven't properly dug into Suede Mark III (although bloody love "Fautlines"). I like the new single, although weirdly the beat makes it sound very "indie" in a way Suede aren't usually.

Is there anything as good as Apollo 13 on the rest of the Tears record?

Oh I love the Tears record !
For me it's an approximation of what the 3rd Suede album could have been if Butler had stayed : lighter, poppier with a rnb/soul touch (basically a mix between coming up and yes !) but 8 years later...

some interesting ideas on their recent material, I just can't get with the production

would love to catch them live, happy they're still at it

Bloodsports was a 'back to basics' effort that fell almost completely flat imo, and the last two albums have been pretty great, so...hmm

Haha we have the exact opposite opinion on this run of albums. Bloodsports is the only one I'd save in a fire.