not even a proper live album. total cashgrab
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
It's just hard for me to believe there's much demand for something like this. I consider myself a pretty die hard fan, but I'm not paying for an expensive box set of radio sessions.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 27 September 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
Kliph just posted this on Facebook:
A note to everyone upset about the announcement of the BBC Sessions box set today:Maybe this doesn't appeal to you. That's totally fine. There's a reason only 500 copies of the vinyl box are being pressed. Should the demand prove to be more than anticipated, the CD version will be plentiful.Maybe you want a new SFA album. That's totally fine. However, nobody has given any indication SFA have been recording new music. Maybe a new SFA album will happen; maybe it won't.Maybe you think this is somehow a cash grab. You couldn't be more wrong. Have you forgotten you're talking about the band that turned down £2,000,000 to license their song to a company whose business ethics they disagreed with? That's right: £2,000,000 in free money that they turned down. Remember when every band was releasing multiple versions of the same single with shitty remixes and demos to fill up b sides in order to sell more copies and go for higher chart placements? What did SFA do? Released one version of the single with solid b sides because they didn't want to bilk their fans, even though they could have had multiple top 10 hits if they had "played the game". So why do you suddenly think they're trying to rip you off? (That's a hypothetical question. I don't want to hear your answer because you're fucking wrong.)Buy the box set or don't. The box set exists because a fan - me - wanted it to exist and pushed the guys for it, so they decided to make it happen rather than continue to listen to me whine. The costs involved are massive and the band (predominately Cian) is doing all the work themselves. There's no major label machine behind it. Tracks needed to be licensed from the BBC: the band paid for it. The material needed to be mastered and cut for vinyl: the band paid for it. The records, CDs and boxes need to be manufactured: the band is paying for it. Etc. If every copy sells, there's no big payday for anyone, yet if any go unsold, that's money they eat.Don't want it? Don't buy it. But if you do, you will get something of the utmost highest quality that will make a number of fans, myself included, very happy.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
mmmmm
― Mark G, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
just coz a band has principles doesn't mean they won't do cash grabs onntheir own terms
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
Anyway it's less the cashgrabbing that's the issue - people can spend money on what they want - it's the stultifying crassness of all this self-celebration, this recycling
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
I mean Kliph worked his way into being a member of The Flaming Lips by virtue of being a mega-fan and a really good drummer. I don't find it hard to believe at all he begged SFA to be their official historian and archivist. It's the way this stuff is being promoted, and the timing, that has made me lose interest. Well, I'll try not to bump this thread with the next warmed-over release. I think I've learned my lesson. All the same, I'm sure some will enjoy this release.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
The frustrating thing is that I reckon they have another good album in them somewhere
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
The more I look at the package, the more I want it. The artwork is sublime. Mark James & Pete Fowler are amazing. I would happily slot that in next to the rest of their albums. I just don't really want or need a bunch of live sessions...
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 28 September 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
it's the stultifying crassness of all this self-celebration, this recycling
― lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 30 September 2018 06:41 (five years ago) link
I thought DD/LY was arguably the best one since RATW! Otherwise....fair, I suppose
― imago, Sunday, 30 September 2018 10:00 (five years ago) link
i don't think i've listened to phantom power in ten years but my god "piccolo snare" -> "venus and serena"
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 September 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link
Maybe they need to make a cash grab *because* they turned down that 2 million pound payoff?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 September 2018 13:22 (five years ago) link
(This doesn't sound like a cash grab, fwiw, just a small thing for fans who want to buy something, like a souvenir.)
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 September 2018 13:23 (five years ago) link
when the person who is doing all the work on the release has explained that it is moderately likely to make a loss, you can probably stop insisting it's a cash grab
― Ah, the minty egg bits (sic), Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
There was a period where their social media seemed to be exclusively for flogging new T-shirts and ski caps. I think that’s what caused some of the negativity on the Net.
― afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
They were also g
― afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 30 September 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
Haven't really seen a ton of negativity outside of this thread tbh
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 30 September 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
There are pockets of it 'in the community.' That said, the community is very small. I think overall people are happy they're still active in some way. I'd take a tour of any of their material in a heartbeat. I just wish DD/LY would get its due from them.
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 1 October 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link
Y'know, if he's going to do more of this stuff, maybe I'm ok with the way things are going:
.@cianciaran fought a giant billion £ multi-national in @edfenergy for Wales. Both parties agreed to discontinue today, after it was agreed that the @AssemblyWales will debate & vote on a motion to stop the dumping next Wednesday 10th October.— Neil McEvoy AM (@neiljmcevoy) October 2, 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/02/hinkley-point-c-nuclear-mud-case-dropped-after-debate-secured
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
https://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/220403/9
'Super Furry Animals at the BBC' Mark Radcliffe Session, Recorded April 1 1996A1. God! Show Me MagicA2. FrisbeeA3. Hometown UnicornA4. Focus Pocus/DebielEvening Session, Recorded April 10 1996B1. Something For The WeekendB2. Hangin' With Howard MarksB3. If You Don't Want Me To Destroy YouB4. God! Show Me MagicEvening Session, Recorded August 11 1997C1. The International Language of ScreamingC2. Torra Fy Ngwallt Yn HirC3. Play It CoolC4. DemonsC5. CalimeroJohn Peel Session, Recorded March 24 1998CH1. The TeacherCH2. Phire in my HeartCH3. Thue Turning TideCH4. Y TeimladEvening Session, Recorded June 2 1999D1. Night VisionD2. Some Things Come From NothingD3. Fire In My HeartD4. Blerwytirhwng?John Peel Session, Recorded March 1 2000DD1. DX HeavenDD2. Ymaelody À'r YmylonDD3. Y Gwyneb IauDD4. ChargeEvening Session, Recorded May 29 2001E1. (Drawing) Rings Around the WorldE2. Fragile HappinessE3. The Warmth of the SunE4. Run! Christian, Run!Live At Peel Acres, Recorded July 12 2001F1. (A) Touch SensitiveF2. ZoomF3. Nythod CacwnF4. Run! Christian, Run! F5. Fragile HappinessSFA Mash Up The CIA, Recorded December 20 1999 (Super Limited Vinyl, CD and Digital only)FF1. Wherever I Lay My Phone (That's My Home)FF2. Bad Behaviour
Evening Session, Recorded April 10 1996B1. Something For The WeekendB2. Hangin' With Howard MarksB3. If You Don't Want Me To Destroy YouB4. God! Show Me Magic
Evening Session, Recorded August 11 1997C1. The International Language of ScreamingC2. Torra Fy Ngwallt Yn HirC3. Play It CoolC4. DemonsC5. Calimero
John Peel Session, Recorded March 24 1998CH1. The TeacherCH2. Phire in my HeartCH3. Thue Turning TideCH4. Y Teimlad
Evening Session, Recorded June 2 1999D1. Night VisionD2. Some Things Come From NothingD3. Fire In My HeartD4. Blerwytirhwng?
John Peel Session, Recorded March 1 2000DD1. DX HeavenDD2. Ymaelody À'r YmylonDD3. Y Gwyneb IauDD4. Charge
Evening Session, Recorded May 29 2001E1. (Drawing) Rings Around the WorldE2. Fragile HappinessE3. The Warmth of the SunE4. Run! Christian, Run!
Live At Peel Acres, Recorded July 12 2001F1. (A) Touch SensitiveF2. ZoomF3. Nythod CacwnF4. Run! Christian, Run! F5. Fragile Happiness
SFA Mash Up The CIA, Recorded December 20 1999 (Super Limited Vinyl, CD and Digital only)FF1. Wherever I Lay My Phone (That's My Home)FF2. Bad Behaviour
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 11 October 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
and an ‘additional cut’ of soon-to-be-sought-after ‘SFA DNA’.
this is to be fur from the yeti outfits which has been embedded within the vinyl according to the PR I received earlier.
― mark e, Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
The Peel Session they did in between Phantom Power and Love Kraft is essential listening for anyone who likes this band. Great version of 'Run! Christian, Run!' on that and the version of 'Gathering Moss' is better than the one on Fuzzy Logic, IMO. That was probably the last time I thought this band could do no wrong, so I'm comfortable with there not being a new album.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
'DX Heaven' is a bit disposable, so don't get too excited for that one. Interesting early version of 'Zoom' that I listened to a lot in the years leading up to Love Kraft.
― afriendlypioneer, Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
I don't like that early version of 'Zoom' at all - I thought (for years) it was a bit of a half-baked riff in search of a tune and I thought they'd wisely shelved it as a bad idea. When I saw they'd dusted it off for Love Kraft I feared the worst but it turned out to be a drastic improvement.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 October 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
I'm a bit shocked at how much the limited edition ended up selling for--£200! And it sold out in minutes. Can't spend that kind of money on something like this. At least you get a locket of yeti hair!
― afriendlypioneer, Friday, 12 October 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
Saw Gruff last night in DC and it was alot of fun. Only knew one song all night long but he is a pro and funny and his band was the same.
― tobo73, Friday, 12 October 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
RATW finally getting a vinyl reissue. This has been the gaping hole in my collection, so I’m stoked. http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/super-furry-animals-rings-around-the-world-limited-2lp-coloured-vinyl-7/
― bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:50 (five years ago) link
Hm... semi-unauthorized. http://www.creation-records.com/super-furry-animals-rings-around-the-world-gets-a-reissue/
― bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:58 (five years ago) link
if it was the original album on Sides A-C with the b-sides on the D side I'd spring for it (so basically the tracklist of the US 2CD version except on vinyl), but the single-sided 7-inch idea is lame.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link
it’s seventeen years too late to complain, man
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
I mean, they're doing a reissue in the present, so not really?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
the 7” was part of the original LP
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
(and “they” aren’t doing the reissue)
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
"they" was meant for the folks at MOV. but fair enough, didn't know that re: the original pressing.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
Don't worry, Kliph says they're doing their own reissue as well.
Oh, and they just released a new bobble hat. Not kidding.
What happened to this band? :(
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
Just a head's up: this is in no way authorized or approved by SFA. Music On Vinyl is a legitimate label and do license things properly (and do good work when given good sources to work from), but the band were unaware of the existence of this before someone tweeted Gruff a couple of hours ago. I called BMG, who also knew nothing about it and are annoyed as they're planning to a proper deluxified remaster/reissue when the time comes. BMG are working on tracking down who licensed it (must have been someone at Sony) and what their sources are for this reissue. Best case scenario, the original plates from 2001 still exist and were used, but those were done at CD resolution (44.1/16) and not from the original tapes, as the reissue BMG are planning will be, so buy at your own risk. Also, a repressing of the BBC box set is on the way. Details will be announced when dates are known.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
don't look now, but this might not be the first item of merchandise they have ever released
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3NUAAOSwBLlU5QDs/s-l300.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/360/1113/03/super-furry-animals-shirt_360_6c951ea5e9ad75da4306b063fd48d14a.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PKcAAOSw85Jbu7zW/s-l300.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/wpimages/images/images1/360/0215/16/360_d84747abf6933c127ea8109cd6abcf8c.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/0114/06/super-furry-animals-signed-shirt_360_741f13a90cf695a26e7415f4d23453ef.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wrX5xGV.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/360/0814/05/super-furry-animals-minger-vintage-uk_360_6bad00377f3f7f9d1a212d02f154d0b5.jpg https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/0814/05/super-furry-animals-minger-vintage-uk_360_6bad00377f3f7f9d1a212d02f154d0b5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PD36AuP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HnZkqLN.jpg
and even
― Bing The Mighty Seat (sic), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
hmm, try https://i.imgur.com/fZbkPqC.jpg
― Bing The Mighty Seat (sic), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah, “Side 4” is one of my fave runs of SFA songs, really. “Tradewinds” into “Roman Road” is phenomenal.
― bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
Gruff wanted both of those tracks to be on the album proper, iirc, but others in the band disagreed.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
don't look now, but this might not be the first item of merchandise they have ever released― Bing The Mighty Seat (sic)
― Bing The Mighty Seat (sic)
I can't really compare a band that's active and recording and touring new music to a band that releases a new bobble hat every quarter and hasn't released music in nearly a decade. But I guess i'm no longer their audience.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
'Cuz that's what you're doing. If I'm not in the audience that desperately needs a new SFA bobble hat, I'm not sure who's left. I've spent more time thinking about this band and their plethora of side business than I should've, and I just find what they're doing very depressing now.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
is the RATW era supposed to have had studio outtakes beyond the b-sides? I always thought RAtW sounded like a curated sampler pack from a more sprawling record.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
I believe there are a couple tracks that showed up later on, like this Hey Venus!-era B-side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NkXSd2scaY
I recall seeing the title on an early pre-release RATW track list.
They also claim 'Bing Bong' was conceived around then.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
Yeah bit this is the bobble hat that broke the camel's back
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
For Rings Around the World, I seem to recall that they recorded all the B-sides and album tracks in the same sessions, and then the final running order was a compromise. Every band member had a different preferred track order and even a different idea of what the LP was supposed to be. Again, Gruff wanted it to be an excessive 90+ minute experience but others in the band disagreed.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
There were outtakes: 'Aluminium Illuminati' (as mentioned before), 'Sanitizzzed', 'The Undisputed Truth' etc. Some of these were released as B-sides later.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah bit this is the bobble hat that broke the camel's back― PaulTMA, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:32 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 3:32 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not quite, but it's a touch cynical for a band that was always boastful of their anti-materialist views.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
It's alright, though. You guys can have your bobble hats. I've been following them for years and I've just sort of given up on the hope they're a real band anymore.
― afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link