because they aren't really galling at all?
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link
I’m shocked by the reaction!
Whole situation is absolutely bizarre. I don't find those quotes in that tweet at all convincingly damming.
Yeah. I found them sympathetic! I suppose I’m missing a lot of context. I didn’t know about this band or story until I read this article.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
mostly i feel sympathy for the victim, who said they never wanted all this to be public and that it only happened due to the overzealousness of punk talks
its hard to know exactly what to make of it, but at best the pinegrove guy comes across as creepy and unable to form healthy relationships with women, and at worst, what could probably be termed abusive, so its hard to have much sympathy for him even if this whole ordeal hasnt quite been justice
― ufo, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
Yeah. Sympathy was too strong of a word. I agree with you.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
People dislike those quotes bc it comes off as a wordier "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" not "I'm sorry for doing the wrong thing" --- allows him to maintain idea that he was always acting in Good faith and not predatorily
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
Stereogum aggregation of the piece has the headline "Pinegrove Address “Sexual Coercion” Statement, New Album Skylight Out This Friday," which pretty much seals why I feel so frustrated by this.
3/4 of the piece is extremely solid reporting, and then the last 1/4 is a handwringing fascination with their new album that makes the whole rest of the piece feel like excuse-making (even though it probably isn't). It's supposed to be edifying and clarifying, but it ends up (imo) just digging the situation deeper through editorial mistakes of context and timing.
― austinb, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link
I'm still not convinced that anything "newsworthy" actually happened tbh. I'm not a rabid fan or anything (couldn't hum anything but "Aphasia" off the top of my head) but this is maybe the only #MeToo-era "abuser gets outed!" that feels like it could be outright overblown. But again only "feels" because the way the whole thing was handled from the jump and has continued to be written about has made it impossible to say.
At least it's nice that ultimately terms were agreed upon and seemingly honored?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 22:53 (five years ago) link
They retweeted quoted lyrics and fan art and endless bedroom-recorded covers of their earnest songs. At least one fan wrote a high school English paper analyzing Pinegrove lyrics. These young people called themselves Pinenuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqqRB0YlZuw
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
they pesto now
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 26 September 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
haha i thought of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf-oitGkGEw
― nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Thursday, 27 September 2018 00:32 (five years ago) link
yes, this is what is so galling about the piece. it's positioned as a mea culpa with a reveal deep in the piece that hey! they have a new album out on Friday! it's just awful journalism, I don't know what's unclear about this.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 27 September 2018 04:47 (five years ago) link
this isn't p4k reporting on a release, it's a in depth feature!
― flappy bird, Thursday, 27 September 2018 04:48 (five years ago) link
yeah I hadn't thought of it until I noticed that they "broke" the album release news with that story. pretty dodgy move for a story crying out for straightforward writing
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 September 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
https://pinegrove.bandcamp.com/album/skylight
― alpine static, Friday, 28 September 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
my position on this has evolved from "... ok" to "no thank you"
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 28 September 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
fyi I listened to this band's bandcamp page and they are awful
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 September 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
on the contrary, Cardinal is one of the best rock records of the decade
― alpine static, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
Truth, Alpine
― Ctrl+Alt+Del in Poughkeepsie (fionnland), Friday, 28 September 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
began to read this piece a couple of days ago and got as far as "inchoate meaning" lmao
― rip van wanko, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
i'm a skeptic on these guys but giving it a listen and not sure having "shelved for a year" attached to this album is going to do it any favors.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 September 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
I had a lot of trouble trying to read this & im not sure why
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 28 September 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
First listen through and I'm a bit meh, though it's probably a grower.
The sub-two minute songs aren't bangers like Problems and Angelina were.
The re-recording of Angelina doesn't add much.
― Ctrl+Alt+Del in Poughkeepsie (fionnland), Friday, 28 September 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
i'm sorry but why is this on streaming
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
?
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
I don't understand the question either.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
Also unsure
― Ctrl+Alt+Del in Poughkeepsie (fionnland), Friday, 5 October 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
it's just weird to suddenly decide to make money off a record the proceeds of which you were donating to charity
anyway sorry, clearly i'm more mad about this than other people
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
oh, ok. I wasn't sure if you thought it shouldn't stream in general, which was weird because it streams on bandcamp as well, I think?
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
How do we know they're not also donating streaming funds?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
we don’t. it’d be nice if they said anything
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
then again maybe the last thing i should expect from this band is a clear statement
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
Idk "all proceeds" would seem to imply charity will get that $12.50
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
ok
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
well they've certainly earned the benefit of the doubt!
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
wait, the p4k article only mentions bandcamp sales-- have they written it anywhere else w/o that stipulation besides the bandcamp page itself?
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
I don't know. I've seen many "bandcamp proceeds" in older articles, but that could just be that it was exclusively there for awhile. A clarifying statement or just being clear about your plan makes sense, and I get Brad's frustration over it. Then again, saying "we are doing a bandcamp exclusive for the first week with all proceeds to charity. then we'll release everywhere." would no doubt hurt those first sales for charity.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
the p4k review says just "sales"
"The band will donate all proceeds from Bandcamp sales of Skylight to three charities"
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
oh nvm sorry reread that. hm
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
sorry, review says "The band and label mutually agreed that Pinegrove would self-release Skylight and donate the proceeds to charity."
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
i, uh, liked this a lot. "skylight" is a beautiful song
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 October 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
thanks for trying to find some kind of consistent language everyone but it’s fine, it doesn’t matter, the rehabilitation is complete and i have to stop caring
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
does it matter at all that the rehabilitation, as it were, was coordinated w/ the victim
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 October 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
i’m not getting into it
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
Yeah most of the tracks are growing on me quite a bit. And for me it's more than generous enough to give the sales to charity even without streaming revenues, it's still a job for them. Plus I often won't buy something without discovering it via streaming it first.
― Ctrl+Alt+Del in Poughkeepsie (fionnland), Friday, 5 October 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
having read about this situation, what has the pinegrove guy done wrong except break up a relationship that was probably going to break up anyway
― imago, Friday, 5 October 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AakhvdAW2o
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 October 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
no way are they donating streaming $ to charity. someone should ask them, if they are donating it I'm sure they'd be happy to answer.
― flappy bird, Friday, 5 October 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
well they'd better donate all or none of it so we can be sure if they're good people or not
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 October 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
i would like to apologize for starting this
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 5 October 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link