E-mail to Berlin: early mentions of the digital cyber space age in music

If computer dating even existed in that form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1j2uzvWMDo

well cuz as i tried to argue, I think the thread (and histories of digital humanity) are more interesting, not less, when allowing for a continuity with earlier systems. it also helps get us around "wow, you had snapchat in middle school, you're like a whole different generation than us" silliness. put another way, why the emphasis on networks? machines that think and talk back, accessed at physical remove, is already pretty "digital cyber space age." not sure "songs about long-distance interactions with only non-networked computers" desperately needs splitting off in its own thread.

thread did get me to remember the early 00s parody record label Clubbo.com and its "Convoy"-styled AOL paean, "Log On," a true classic.

why the emphasis on networks?

I'm all for digressions and expansions but personally speaking because this is specifically what the OP was asking for.

I think computer dating as generally conceived before the adoption of the web was a rather different thing. I'm sure there were niche dating services for nerds on Compuserv and what have you but for the most part it remained the preserve of specialist agencies who would claim to be combining psychology and science and using COMPUTER MAGIC to find your ideal partner. It wasn't about either networks of computers or peer to peer connection.

It doesn't need its own thread.

I'm not sure I'd count this as "early", but judging from some of the other dates on this thread it counts: Denim - Internet Curtains (1997)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4BPMKrT0ro

Prince - Emale has to be one of the first? Its from 1996:

"W-w-w-dot-emale-dot-com
The king takes the pawn
W-w-w-dot-emale-dot-com
It's on, it's on, it's on"

Would have been a pretty lucrative domain to squat and sell on later if he had thought about it.

the OP asked for "digital connectivity" and then when i invoked "digital connectivity" you said "you could call it that, but" --- which imho is getting us into no-true-scotsman territory?

This Basil Kirchin - Silicon Chip track is a good example of a pop cultural conception of computers as The Future that has nothing to do with networks. You can obviously find tons of examples like it (not all as fun and groovy). So that distinction is valid and interesting, when does network awareness become a thing. That's what I read the OP as asking.

https://youtu.be/oDU6P01yvnU

the OP asked for "digital connectivity

But more specifically -

Hit me with music mentioning the World Wide Web, E-Mail or Cyber Space

fwiw my point was not that "computer world" and "computer love" are vaguely about computers as the Future but that they specifically are dealing with the digital cyber space age, just as numerous observers had been since at least mcluhan, stewart brand, ant farm etc. we can split hairs about the technology of computer dating in 1985, or what roger troutman might have been imagining it would soon be. maybe he got into a discussion of it on The Well that year for all we know. but what people imagined it as was, you're interacting with a computer (perhaps over the phone lines), it does some thinking for you, and it talks back linking you up with a match. that's extremely "cyber" imho in terms of the offloading of consciousness, physical remove from the thinking machine, the new forms of consciousness and social interaction that get worked out with this technology etc.... as much as any of the stuff haraway is discussing in the cyborg manifesto.

if there was a song from 1992 hat went "I met my girl on a BBS, lord / It's love at 9600 baud" would you be like "yeah sure but technically that is just one PC dialing up another PC, not a network" ?

Basement 5 (featuring Dennis Morris - the guy who created the Metal Box design and packaging for PIL, and the bass player for B.A.D and later, Dreadzone) also had a track called 'Silicon Chip' but a bit later in 1980.

xpost okay so only those three exact terms? this is silly. idk, not like i have a million more examples anyway. i've said my piece and it's LBI's thread.

we can split hairs about the technology of computer dating in 1985

We can!

And I was thinking 1981 (but the same goes for Troutman; he no longer needs a strategy because the computer will do the match making.)

Kraftwerk sing -

I call this number
For a data date

As I was saying, I don't think the connotation of "data dating" at the time was so much about interacting with or through computers. The computer's role was to do the number crunching profile matching. He's not using a modem, he's calling a number. One imagines he's calling either the dating agency to speak to an operative, or calling one of his matches. That's the image I have and how I suspect (or recall) it would have read in 1981.

Weirdly adversarial thread

xpost okay so only those three exact terms?

All the cues I see in the OP refer to email, cyberspace and the internet (i.e. networks) so I took that to be the loose brief because "post any old songs what mention compooters" seems too broad and unlikely.

And Computer Love I've always thought (while being about loneliness and alienation in the technological age or whatever) referenced that old fashioned type of "computer dating" rather than predicting Tinder as such.

Surely dating agencies' version of "computer dating" was just dumping ppl's paper questionnaires into a spreadsheet and then searching for the highest number of shared interests

(if even that and it wasn't the sole operator of the business reading the handful of submissions they got in the same room as a PC they used for their accounts)


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No idea if they were the first band to do that but they certainly beat Jethro Tull to the punch!

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wow this is rapidly drifting into turrican territory. again: "fwiw my point was not that 'computer world' and 'computer love' were vaguely about computers as the Future but that they specifically are dealing with the digital cyber space age." but go ahead and attribute a dopey spelling of "computers" to me if it makes you feel better?

we can split hairs about the technology of computer dating in 1985

I was going to mention Neil Young's "Sample and Hold" from 1982 here, but, on reading the lyrics, it seems to be about androids.

fwiw my point was not that 'computer world' and 'computer love' were vaguely about computers as the Future

Fwiw you seem to have incorrectly inferred that I said you said that they were.

but go ahead and attribute a dopey spelling of "computers" to me if it makes you feel better?

Also something you have mistakenly inferred. That's not something I did or would do to "make myself feel better." But go ahead and attack me for no reason.

but that they specifically are dealing with the digital cyber space age.

Computer World is (although it's a vague phrase - maybe you mean in some vague public conception sense.)

But I think what Computer Love actually describes is probably that rather low tech "computer dating", although yes you can argue even that is a bit "cyber" I suppose. Using a telephone is "cyber" so whatevs.

I call this number
For a data date

Neil Peart was another relatively early adopter (1996) with 'Virtuality' from Rush's 'Test For Echo':

'Net boy, net girl
Send your signal 'round the world
Let your fingers walk and talk
And set you free
Net boy, net girl
Send your impulse around the world
Put your message in a modem
And throw it in the Cyber Sea'

first hit record to mention the Internet/www?

Although these are some spectacularly badly written lyrics, they prophesize the internet of today surprisingly well for 1994. No wide-eyed techno utopia for Ray & Anita:

Technology
Virtual Society
Info superhighway interaction
Into the future, into the future
Technology
See the world progressing all around us, it's a virtual society
Info superhighway interaction, computer pal or enemy
So communicate with me
Won't you interact with me?
Technicians, technique, technology
It's the most important thing in the industry
It's going further nowadays, 'cause they want to get paid
Every day new discovery and plans to be made
Now get connected like an electric wire
Look out for the shock, look out for the fire
Just imagine how it would be
Without the thing they call "technology".
Interact with me
Interact with me
Info superhighway
Technicians, technique, technology
It runs the world and society
Digital revolution, technical solutions
For some it only brings more and more confusion
Do we still talk about civilization
'Cause we gotta look out for the computer invasion
Radio, telephone, or TV..
Would it be there without technology?
Into the future
Into the future
Energy from the inner mind
Technology
So communicate with me
Want you interact with me
Info superhighway interaction
Technology
Technology
Technology

Earliest mention of the internet in a song or title

THAT'S the thread I was looking for earlier, thank you