Ladies and gentleman, I give you your MVP runnerup: Adrian Beltre

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I really don't see how Manny couldn't/shouldn't win it, despite the arguments for Sheff.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Comparing stats, Manny and Ortiz are fairly close, although Manny does clearly have an edge. And Ortiz's "leader" rep from last year has carried over into this season (wasn't he ~ fifth in MVP voting?) -- and he's putting up better numbers this year than last. He will suck votes away from Manny.

Last year Manny was also better when he played (he was injured for several weeks last season). But he's got this Albert Belle-esque rep as a "difficult" personality and a selfish player, which the voters hate. Whereas Ortiz has the opposite rep. I think Manny would need vastly superior numbers than any of his competitors to make up that difference in the voters' eyes, and that's just not true this season.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:56 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
My NL runnersup to BB (don't moan about Rolen, 5 through 10 are a crapshoot):

Albert Pujols 2
Adrian Beltre 3
Jim Edmonds 4
Todd Helton 5
Lance Berkman 6
Bobby Abreu 7
Scott Rolen 8
Mark Loretta 9
J.D. Drew 10

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that list based solely on VORP, or did you weight other things in your ranking, Morb?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Of course I weighed other things ... position, for one. I'm no automaton, whether JDahlem can be persuaded or not!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

After I posted my question, I realized how dopey it was. My bad, Dr. M.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link


Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

DUH doc, position is already weighted in VORP WHAT ARE YOU THINKING

(therefore: NOT a dopey question dave r!)


[and i don't care what you say, rolen should totally have been #4 dude, you've been rash]

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
haha, whoops

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Did you see that article in the LA Times the other day about Beltre? It was kinda sad..

Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Monday, 13 June 2005 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Seattle's Sluggers:

Beltre ($11.4M)

Boone ($9M)

Sexson ($6M)

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Kit Kaat Sluggers:



laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Sexson last night: 0 fer six. 4 K's.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

I was looking at Beltre's comps on Baseball Reference. As you probably know, there are always three lists: one based on who you'd match up with if your career were to end today, one that compares your numbers to other careers up to your current age (the most useful), and a third list that tracks season by season. Beltre's seasonal comps:

Age 20 -- Manny Machado (952)
Age 21 -- Ron Santo (954)
Age 22 -- Ron Santo (947)
Age 23 -- Ron Santo (976)
Age 24 -- Ron Santo (945)
Age 25 -- Ron Santo (965)
Age 26 -- Ron Santo (946)
Age 27 -- Ron Santo (930)
Age 28 -- Ron Santo (933)
Age 29 -- Ron Santo (918)
Age 30 -- Ruben Sierra (916)
Age 31 -- Ron Santo (909)
Age 32 -- Ron Santo (918)
Age 33 -- Ron Santo (921)
Age 34 -- Ron Santo (884)

That's pretty remarkable. No surprise that Beltre and Santo match up well over their careers, but I doubt that there have ever been two players in the entire history of baseball more in lockstep on a seasonal basis.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 June 2014 13:59 (five years ago) link

Example: even when you look at Ruth, where you're obviously drawing from an extremely limited group of similar players, you get a list that's Williams from age 26-33, a few years of Foxx after that, a few years of Bonds at the end, and Chuck Klein and Manny Ramirez and Will Clark (!--age 23) mixed in.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 June 2014 14:03 (five years ago) link

that's pretty fucking cool clemenza.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 June 2014 18:28 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

en fuego

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 6 July 2014 00:13 (five years ago) link

35, 2519 hits, 387 HR. 3000 hits should be easy--the rest of this year, two more seasons and a bit. 500 HR will be tougher, but he has a pretty good chance to be the fifth 3000/500 guy (assuming A-Rod doesn't find a way to get those last 61 hits). Pujols and Cabrera would be next in line, although I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those guys break down physically first.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 July 2014 13:17 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Nobody cares, I realize, but I'd love to see Beltre win the batting title. If his HOF chances are as close as most people think (again, I see him close to a cinch at this point), a batting title will definitely help. He's about five points behind right now.

clemenza, Thursday, 28 August 2014 16:08 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

Garrett Richards came into the Angels’ clubhouse proudly holding a piece of paper Saturday afternoon. Texas third baseman Adrian Beltre had sent him an invoice for $300 after Richards broke three of his bats Friday night.

It was a real invoice, like Beltre went to an office-supply store and bought a pack of them or something. “Cash only, no checks,” he wrote above his signature.

Andy K, Saturday, 25 April 2015 23:47 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

beltre's got a BBR WAR right now of 5.4, thanks for a productive second half. pretty amazing player.

nomar, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:38 (four years ago) link

*thanks to

nomar, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:39 (four years ago) link

Another great game today. I've been tracking him the last while too. Since July 31: .326/.379/.539, 10 HR, 52 RBI.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 October 2015 20:47 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

<3 <3

lute bro (brimstead), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 17:43 (three years ago) link

the Rangers have bigger problems, eg Ian Desmond is their reg LF

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 19:10 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Just moved past Chipper Jones and into the Top 50 on Baseball Reference's WAR list (85.3); real longshot to hit 100, but at 37 and signed through 2018, who knows.

clemenza, Monday, 23 May 2016 13:58 (three years ago) link

I know it was ultimately that the McCourts were a mess, but letting Beltre walk was pretty dumb by the Dodgers.

earlnash, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:32 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

nomar, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:39 (three years ago) link

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 August 2016 18:44 (three years ago) link

it seems like just yesterday this guy was a one-season wonder rather than a hopeful HoFer. what a strange career

ciderpress, Thursday, 11 August 2016 19:13 (three years ago) link

he'll hit 3000 hits next year too if he plays most of the season

ciderpress, Thursday, 11 August 2016 19:16 (three years ago) link

<3 <3 <3

brimstead, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:04 (three years ago) link

i think my two favorite players of all time are Ichiro and Beltre

nomar, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 19:27 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...
two weeks pass...

dude has been playing out of his mind lately, just hit his 30th HR.

nomar, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 00:33 (three years ago) link

I check his career box once a week. He may catch Donaldson and/or Machado in the MVP vote this year, and he'll soon pass 90 career WAR on Baseball Reference (decent shot to be the 22nd position player to reach 100 before he's finished...the equivalent of three more pretty good seasons, not easy). He's moved into the Top 25 career in AB, doubles, and total bases.

clemenza, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:03 (three years ago) link

he's def going to make it to 3000 hits next year. wonder if he can make it to 500 HRs.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:27 (three years ago) link

(obv not next year – two years left on his deal, might need a year or two of quality baseball on top of that)

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 02:27 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Just hit 90.0 in career WAR; in the top 30 position players now (between Brett and Boggs, as luck would have it).

clemenza, Friday, 30 September 2016 19:59 (three years ago) link

qualx, Saturday, 1 October 2016 17:52 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

would watch a movie about their relationship

mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:56 (two years ago) link

Beltre's homer gave him 5,003 total bases, making him the 21st player to go over 5,000 for his career. That's fewer than the 27 players with 3,000 hits and the 27 who have 500 home runs.

(And the 24 who've won 300 games.)

clemenza, Saturday, 8 July 2017 02:10 (two years ago) link

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