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I disagree, Chrissie. Best things about The Big Sleep (movie), to me: 1) the nympho sister; 2) the sexy bookseller (we assume she and Marlowe have sex, right?); 3) the colonel in his greenhouse which stands for his willful blindness and attachment to Sean -- hey, harbinger of Marlow's attachment to Terry Lennox! --; 4) the fact that no one knows what the hell is going on at any one moment.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

"I don't rate the film high on the noir scale, though. Sans Bogie and Bacall, it'd be a pretty minor effort."

Oh no way. HOWARD HAWKS! It would have been fantastic whoever was in it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not that sold on Howard Hawks, though, if you'll excuse the sacrilege. I guess I always think of The Thing -- which I never could embrace as the classic so many people say it is.

I didn't assume there was any sex with the bookseller, either. Maybe I missed something. :-/ I thought she kind of offered herself, but he was too preoccupied to take her up -- albeit with some regret? Oh no, I didn't miss an obvious visual metaphor anywhere, did I?!

Anyway, the film is lots of fun, don't get me wrong. But to me, not quite up there with Double Indemnity, Maltese Falcon, even Lady from Shanghai. (NTS: must watch that one again soon.)

What I'm looking forward to massively is this fab box-set of Mr. Arkadin from Criterion. (Um, Euro-noir?)

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not that sold on Howard Hawks, though, if you'll excuse the sacrilege. I guess I always think of The Thing

Jeez, he's not even credited with directing that, and the degree to which he did is uncertain.

btw the high school noir, Brick, is being released next month. Richard Roundtree is in it.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh no, I didn't miss an obvious visual metaphor anywhere, did I?!
Maybe you missed the part where she pulled down the shade? And said "we're closed for the afternoon"?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link

What about The Lady in the Lake? No one wants to stand up for Robert Montgomery's weird Marlowe's-eye-view movie?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

No, I prefer Dark Passage for that kind of stuff. Where the trick serves a purpose I guess, since you can't see Bogey's face before the plastic surgery.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, imagine what he must have looked like before!

i'm borrowing the lady in the lake from the library to remind myself if I feel like championing it or not

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it was motivated by reasons of identity, not vanity.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

what, the surgery? oh, yeah, totally. i'm just saying that i always wondered what that character would have looked like...although now that i think of it, they probably show his picture somewhere, no?

anyway, in high school, when my friend kip and i used to hang out at his brother's condo and watch movies all night, dark victory came on; kip was bored and went to sleep, but i stayed up and watched the whole thing, because it was AWESOME

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, that sounds like fun.

I just read on ILM that the picture in the newspaper of Lauren Bacall's dad is of the director, Delmer Daves.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

No, I didn't miss that bit. I guess I'm more innocent than I realised. ;-)

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Has anyone ever seen the SNL Out Of The Past sketch with Robert Mitchum and Jane Greer that I just became aware of?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Is there a slip-up, baby?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

From what year?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

From some real dark year, I think, 1987 or something, some Alfafa but no Buckwheat kind of year. I don't have high hopes, but I'm still extremely curious.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Looks like Simply Red was what Don Pardo would call the "MUUSICAL GUEST"

Simply Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

We owe it all to Jose Rodriguez. I wonder if he ever knew what a bad guide he really was.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link

(OK, I guess I'd better stop. I guess I'd better drop this Junior League patter)

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I almost just bought the companion volume to Dark City called Dark City Dames at The Mysterious Bookshop.

Redd Sherlock (Ken L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

The idea of teh Academy montage/tribute was nice, but execution lacking.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Monday, 6 March 2006 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, exactly.

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Monday, 6 March 2006 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Search:
The Narrow Margin

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link

"Oh wake up, Brown, this train's headed straight for the cemetery. But there's another one coming along, the gravy train. Let's get on it."

Redd Scharlach (Ken L), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Hm. the director of The Narrow Margin, Richard Fleischer, just died. Please forgive him his later filmography.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 27 March 2006 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
cool thread, love the Scarlet Street mentions.

I recently saw John Boorman's Point Blank. I'm assuming maybe it doesn't exactly fit into the "noir" category, maybe neo-noir, "hollywood rennaissance"? I love how lots of people die in it and the main character's motivation is violence and revenge, but nobody gets killed by him. Such a fantastic movie with some very funny/brutal parts.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd call it maybe a "daylight revisionist noir." Lots of sunshine, anomie and bitter laughs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

re: The Narrow Margin, i love that once marie windsor's true identity as a cop is revealed, charles mcgraw could care less that she died.

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

er, couldn't care less.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol17/issue09/screens.windsor.3.gif

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I agree, although some people say that the movie is prevented from being truly great because there is no scene of him seeing her dead body being removed from the train, some people being William Friedkin on the DVD commentary and Eddie Muller in his book.

In The Court Of The Redd King Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 14 April 2006 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
"Two things I can smell inside a hundred feet: burning hamburger and a romance."

James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

"I bet your the kind of man that does push-ups every morning just to keep his belly hard."
"..You got something against good health?"

poortheatre, Friday, 31 August 2007 09:28 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

Just saw something about Richard Fleischer by Dave Kehr in the Times- a few films showing at the Walter Reade and Film Comment in the coming weeks.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 17 February 2008 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

Oh man just saw Night and the City starring Richard Widmark. One of the bleakest noir films I've ever seen. Widmark is amazing in it.

brownie, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

Richard Fleischer thing starts on Friday at FF. It's in color- in Cinemascope!

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Wow this 1948 UK film Daughter of Darkness was just given dvd reissue by Redemption films. It's both British noir and femme fatale wrapped in one with plenty of chiaroscuro and gothic vibe. Definitely recommended.

http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2009/09/30/1254335093-daughterofdarkness.jpg

Nate Carson, Sunday, 29 November 2009 22:40 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

I think I'm noir illiterate. Watching the big sleep - drunk, granted - and I can't make a lick of sense out of it.

pithfork (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 February 2010 05:17 (ten years ago) link

iirc an actor approached hawks before filming the scene for his death. "i know my lines, howard," he said, "but who kills me?" and hawks thinks for a second and says "well hell, i'm not sure. hang on." so he rings faulkner, who wrote the screenplay, and he asks him "hey bill, who kills this guy?" and faulkner says "damn howard, I'm not sure. hang on." and he telegrams chandler "who killed butler STOP hawks wants to know STOP"

next day hawks gets a telegram: "hell if i know--ray"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 February 2010 05:38 (ten years ago) link

iyigd

vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 February 2010 05:41 (ten years ago) link

why chandler had to telegram hawks when they were in the same city is beyond me, but i fuckin love that story

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 February 2010 05:45 (ten years ago) link

I thought Chandler's line was actually "who cares?" which I think is funnier.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:10 (ten years ago) link

Isn't there some companion story of Hawks saying something to the effect that making that movie taught him that the plot didn't really have to make sense?

the clones of tldr funkenstein (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:13 (ten years ago) link

the studio thought the original was boring and made him do reshoots. the result capitalized on the bogart-bacall relationship but made less sense.

hawks continued to make films whose scripts were well-crafted by conventional standards.

later people began to interview this great maestro, this incomparable innovator of cinematic form, and he made up some stories that made him sound cool but don't really accord with the facts.

sharter the unstoppable ilx machine (history mayne), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:22 (ten years ago) link

I'll buy that.

the clones of tldr funkenstein (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:43 (ten years ago) link

the original cut is on the US DVD and it gives an explanation for the chauffeur's death.

abanana, Saturday, 20 February 2010 15:22 (ten years ago) link

Anyone seen Nightmare Alley? I have seen most of the classics save, Detour and this. Think I like Kiss Me Deadly or Gun Crazy best.

Hinklepicker, Sunday, 28 February 2010 05:15 (ten years ago) link

Spent last week at the Noir City festival - always tremendous, especially with Eddie Muller's commentary.

Jaq, Sunday, 28 February 2010 05:28 (ten years ago) link

nightmare alley is good, tyrone power trying to ditch the pretty boy rep

velko, Sunday, 28 February 2010 05:34 (ten years ago) link

nine years pass...

AFI Silver has just announced its 2019 Noir City DC lineup: https://silver.afi.com/Browsing/EventsAndExperiences/EventDetails/0000000010

Not sure yet which screenings I plan to attend, but a couple of them will be free co-presentations with the National Gallery of Art. And last year I liked Muller's intro to both versions of The Killers.

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Friday, 13 September 2019 17:05 (six months ago) link


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