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that's fair. i would have done better if i were a bigger fan of guitars, sufjan or deerhoof, but cookies and crumbling and all that.

Will M. (Will M.), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Will M undeniably approved. Also forward him guess papers.

Oink Administrator (sanskrit), Thursday, 1 February 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Vinetari
b) Alex
c) 20
d) Male
e) London, Ontario, Canada


1)Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week

i) Girl Nobody - 2004 - The Future Isn't What It Used [224kbs]
ii) Robyn - Dont Stop The Music [192kbs
iii) Robyn - 1997 - Robyn Is Here [192kbs]

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Rockism, by the standard definition, is a belief or view that rock music is the standard and everything else is based around it. Usually situated around basic instruments, lead and rhythm guitars, bass guitar, and drums, it will usually flow in a standard rock and roll song structure (verse, chorus, bridge, chorus).

Rockism, to me though, is all about rocking out to the sounds of the beast that is rock! Throw in your favorite Iron Mainden album and you’ll know what I mean. It will lift you up when you’re down, and it will keep you flying high when you’re feeling excellent. It’s the feeling you get when you’re rockin’ you’re electric guitar (or playing GuitarHero). It’s my morning wake up call and my evening good-night. Rockism is what I will find on my quest for the answer to life on the top of a tall mountain instead of an old man with long grey hair. Rockism is the spice of life running through our veins.


3)Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

http://www.clickmusic.com/upload/catpower400.jpg

4)Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

In my opinion, Sufjan Stevens is better then Deerhoof. For one, I find that Satomi Matsuzak sounds too high and “child-like” for my liking. Sufjan Stevens on the other hand is a signer/songwriter, which means he’s doing twice as much as some other music people do. Although some of his songs contain Christian messages, which I tend to stay away from, I still find it more of a listening pleasure then Deerhoof. Sufjan Stevens’s conceptual idea of 50 albums for 50 states is a great one. If completed, there would be many more Sufjan Stevens albums then Deerhoof albums, which means more songs to listen to. That’s a good thing because everyone knows more is better, especially when it comes to a music collection. If I had to put money down on it, I would throw down $100 on Sufjan Stevens for the win, or possibly just to place. Either way, it would be a better outcome then Deefhoofs.

5) How many invites do you require?

One please.

Alex V, Thursday, 1 February 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

what's a guess paper?

Will M. (Will M.), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IRE AT ALL. SOMEONE EXPLAIN PLZ. I am going mad.

Will M. (Will M.), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Guess papers for Dalit here

pabs (Pablo A), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

a) jonnyheadphones
b) jon
c) 26
d) male
e) nyc

1) All of a Sudden, I Miss Everyone - Explosions in the Sky
Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer? - Of Montreal
The Good, The Bad and The Queen (self-titled)

2) Rockism is the critical belief that rock music is better than other forms of popular music. Inherently better, that is, than say synthetically produced music because of the use of standard rock instruments like electric guitar, drums and electric bass. electro and hip hop is cool, but music performed with standard rock 'n roll instrumentation, for lack of a better word, rocks! for this reason, i'm a fan of post-rock -- intrumental atypical rock'n'roll music played with rock'n'roll instrumentation (ie: explosions in the sky rawk!). another example would be the hip-hop group The Roots. they rock more than chingy because they lay their grooves down with rock'n'roll instruments. damn, it's hard to write eight sentences like about this.

3) ok, i'll help fuel your chan marsall obsession: http://flickr.com/photos/chadwadsworth/247795411/. she hearts you too!

4) while Deerhoof's experimental music is cool, i have to side with Sufjan on this one. first of all, he's written christian music that doesn't suck; he expresses his faith without trying to evangelize. second, he likes the fifty states of america. third, he managed to write a song about the serial killer john wayne gacy that isn't super creepy. fourth, he has possibly the hottest women in indie rock playing the glockenspiel in his band: katrina kerns (http://www.badmintonstamps.com/images/katrina.bmp and http://www.zachklein.com/2005/08/ladies-and-gentlemen-sufjan-stevens.html). fifth, the dude can flat out sing. sixth, the dude can flat out write a song. seventh, his name is soof-yan... that's right, soof-yan. how can bambi's foot compare to that list?

5) just one, please. thank you senor piggie.

jon ferrer, Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Nightwatch

b) Olly

c) 21

d) Male

e) Hampshire, UK


1) Blackalicious- Blazing Arrow, Massive Attack- Collected, The Album Leaf- Into the Blue again


2)Rockism is a post modern term used to describe a way in which some people critically analyze music. It originated in the 80's after the so called "golden age of rock". It is usually used to describe an idealistic or perhaps romantic notion of what rock music should be in it's purest form. It's holding a particular piece as the ultimate pinnacle of what that genre should aspire to be and then comparing any aspect of it's structure and make up with something else, usually a more modern piece thats currently in the charts. It doesn't really matter how different it is in style or even genre because it's being held against a particular set of cardinal standards determined by the critic. Sometimes it's used in a slightly less broad sense to describe music that was 'meaningful', 'written with a timeless quality' or 'made to last through the ages.' It isn't always used to describe the music and band themselves but also the entire culture that surrounds it including fashion, politics and beliefs. Some would see it as an obnoxious or snobbish way of reviewing music, perhaps destined to wear out as music branches further away from what the popular idea of good rock music is. Wow, I sounded like a bit of an arse reading all that back. Oh well. :)


3) http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a30/mexillent/catpower_full.jpg


4) This ones going to be harder. I've only ever ever heard one album by each artist and it's tough to beat 'Illious' by any stretch. Personally from what i've heard i'd say Surjan Stevens is the more likable artist. It's perhaps unjust to call him "better", but I think he's more accessible. Deerhoof's music is more experimental and un-predictable from what i've listened to. I liked his style but I didn't think it was as brilliant as Illinos, which is probably a masterpiece. Steven's music has an honesty and a feeling like your listening to something really well crafted. His music's quirky oddness feels more natural than Deerhoof's.
I think both artists require more than one listen to fully appreciate. Maybe sometime i'll give Deerhoof another go.


5) 1

Olly. B, Thursday, 1 February 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

a) headmaster_ritual
b) James
c) 18
d) Male
e) Bay Area, CA

(All at least 192+)
1) Babyland - The Finger, Minutemen - Double Nickels On The Dime, Milanese - Extend

2) Rockism is the use of only bass, guitar and drums and the non-use of electronics in music. I think this is bullshit, if we're ever going to move forward in rock music we need to bring new sounds and new instruments to the game. If you take away the power to progress, rock is going to die. Under "rockism", most of the music you and I love, wouldn't have happened. While I agree that music is over produced today, it doesn't mean we have to go back to reel to reel. Think of a world without New Order. That's a world I don't want to live in.

3) http://www.bls-act.co.jp/images/db/cat_power.jpg

4) Deerhoof is the better band. Mr. Stevens rehashes old folk song styles and a tired sound. Deerhoof is one of those band that progresses, you pick up a Deerhoof album and it might take a while for you to get into it. But, once you do, you're loving it. Sufjan, I don't see anything special in his music. Deerhoof is a band that has a unique sound for our generation, people will look back in 20 years and see Deerhoof albums as generation landmarks. While Stevens album "Illinois" is not a bad album by any means. It's just forgettable.

5) 1 or 2


James Laurence, Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

a) ComicMaster
b) Andrew
c) 16
d) Male
e) Pennsylvania, USA


1) Aphex Twin - Analogue Bubblebath 5 , Fatboy Slim - The Greatest Hits : Why Try Harder, Ace Of Base - Da Capo


2) Well, I'm going to be honest, and say that I've never heard of it before now. Therefore, I'm not going to lie and pretend that I know about it. At first, I think that it sounds like some kind of genre of music, but after reading a few other replies, I realize I'm quickly wrong. Apparently, it is basically talking about elitism in rock music, and we all know how much people love that. What do I think about elitism and saying that all rock music will never be as good as the classics? The fact that people who say that need to listen to more different types of music and appreciate the fact that bands play whatever they want. They could be playing mainstream rap and talking about sex and whores and drugs and pimps and how "gangster" they are, but instead they chose to plug in a guitar and play. Why cannot everyone just accept rock as rock and stop comparing stuff all the time? The fact that some people are even trying to make rock music is good enough, and they could do without being insulted for never being as good as the "classics". Well I guess within that period of time I just learned what Rockism is....

3) <3 http://i7.tinypic.com/40eo0ad.png

4) I've never heard of either. I'm also afraid that if I go up and actually do what I should've done from the beginning (go to wikipedia), that I will find out who these people actually are, and I'll be more ashamed than I already am as of right now. As it's going, in comparison to how I was before I entered this page, I know I'm not getting the invite, and I'm just having fun now because I'm bored. I take it they are probably both good and both have strong and negative artistic qualities. omg I think that's eight sentences....and after counting it just _looks_ that way! : D

5) Enough to get me into the site, to get rid of boredom, or both.

Andrew J. D., Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Deemanda
b) Amanda
c) 19
d) Female
e) Lbc, Ca, US


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week
Folsom- If you're a Viper, Trashzone- DRI, Then There Were None- Red Scare

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Copy and paste wikidpedia definition here. Fuck that, here's what "rockism" means to me. When asked the question, what is rockism one must take many criteria into mind. Actually that's complete bullshit, it all leads down to the fact that opinions are like assholes, mine's just better than yours. This parallels into the music world, where simply some music is better than other. Unfortunately, the world is not quite ready for this as some music out there is complete shit and unfortunately has developed a massive following due to the fact that the majority of the population has become musically impotent. Music is either good, or bad.

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2006/07/hitler-kitty.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Sufjan Stevens. You know how some things are just better than others? Well, this is one of those situations. Sure some wanna be pretentious indie hipster trolling the internet, I mean local record store might come across Deerhoof on myspace, cough, I mean "vinyl" and think Deerhoofs the best thing since shitty starbucks coffee, but I've never really gone along with what those types have to say. I mean Sufjan sure is a hell of a lot more motivated. Any man who wants to try and capture all 50 states in a collection of 50 cds obviously has some drive. Illinois was one hell of a download, cough, I mean album. Deerhoof might be one of those bands that sounds better while one's head is emerged in water, has consumed large amounts of mind altering chemicals, or otherwise. Point remains, Sufjan Stevens is just better.

5) How many invites do you require?
Just one please.

Deemanda, Friday, 2 February 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

REQUEST oink invite
Name: longwalkhome
Age 66
USA
Male
Regards.......

longwalkhome, Friday, 2 February 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

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pabs (Pablo A), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

basically

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 2 February 2007 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there an oink invite left?

I'd love to have on!

Thx in advance.

Obi

ObiKenobi, Friday, 2 February 2007 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Plz to follow rules of first post Tobias Hanika

Oink Admin (Confounded), Friday, 2 February 2007 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link

a) tjblackb
b) Tobias
c) 20
d) Male
e) Cary, NC


1) Emery - The Weak's End, Saosin - Saosin, Corey Smith - Undertones

2) I think that rockism is a bit of a loaded word, depending on your musical taste. Generally, it is the ideal that gross sales don't justify liking a particular song or band, but that a band should be judged by the "truth" in their music. When this term gained popularity it was closely associated to 1970s-80s classic rock, and therefore associated simply with music that consisted of guitar, bass, drums (and being grossly appalled at anything produced synthetically. However, the real meaning behind it has really been transposed into other genres of music since this meaning follows with the general nature of people. This being the typical "sell out" comments or the satisfaction one gets from saying "that band was good, before they got popular". This is the general attitude of many people, and they will often not listen to a band because they are popular. This attitude is present across genres, whether it be rap, emo, alt rock, you name it. I do believe that some bands simply ride their initial popularity, and i think that the term rockism discriminates against them, as it should. However, it should also be important to realize that each person should listen to the music first and decide for themselves whether they like it or not.

3) http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060120/1203__cat_l.jpg

4) I don't think anyone can win an argument saying either is better. I particularly enjoy Stevens better. I admire how they both pursued the same ideals in their music. Yet they both pursue this in different ways and with a different understanding of music to begin with. Sufjan was introduced to music in a very formal way, and i think that his music shows this clearly. Even though he is pushing for innovation in music through his songs, it still has a structured feel. Deerhoof on the other hand, seems to have a raw unfinished nature about it. Their music is a lot more focused on the clashes between the different elements in their music. I think this differs from Stevens' music in that his seems to focus on having smooth transitions between elements in songs.

5) 1

Tobias Blackburn, Friday, 2 February 2007 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

a) requested username : Vuli
b) first name (no surnames) : Dan
c) age : 22
d) gender : Male
e) geographic location : Romania

1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week
Parov Stelar - Rough Cuts; Gothan project - lunatico; Dimitri from Paris - A Night at the Playboy Mansion

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
It's a term invented by the critics for the sake of criticism. It's difficult to speak about authenticity when you have billions of sound variations using the same technology. Lets take an hypothetical artist that is sincerely expressing himself through the music he creates. He should be authentic. But given the fact that that artist has a musical culture that is based on the expressions of other artists, he won't be authentic. So his work could easily get bad critique. Which sucks, but his listeners don't think about that, they go with his flow. Or not. Narf!
3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/index.html

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
I'm a visual "artist" :(, I can say that I like neither... :((

5) How many invites do you require?
One please... please

Dan Vuletici, Friday, 2 February 2007 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

a) requested username: thespeedwagon
b) first name (no surnames): aryo
c) age: 25
d) gender: male
e) geographic location: just moved from indonesia to virginia, US


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week
michael jackson -- thriller
DFA compilation #1
hot chip -- mixture

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
I was curious as to what Wikipedia offered on the definition of rockism, so I looked it up, and I strongly disagree with the one they offered. According to their definition, the existence of the phrase itself is a paradox. I believe that rockism doesn't necessarily have to conform to the standards of being "rock'n'roll" or even "authentic". I mean, all the genres of music had to start with some basic form of music, then evolved into what they are now, right? You can play funk in an electronic band, and as long is you get the audience to shake their bodies or nod their heads, I believe that you have achieved a certain authenticity. Of course, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
http://www.shirtkiller.com/LiteCommerce/images/catpower_big.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Before Deerhoof came up with Reveille, Sufjan Stevens. After Reveille, Deerhoof, for sure. I don't know, just a matter of taste, I guess. If I were in my teens but in this day and age, I would probably go with Deerhoof 100%. Besides I have a thing for bands with crazy Japanese lead singers. Apple O' just sealed the deal for me since the transformation of the band became really sonically visible. Of course it started from Reveille, but Apple O' for me showed the maturity of the soundscape they were able to produce. Sufjan Stevens, to me at least, sounds like he just recycles his style (with a little bit of spunk here and there) each album.

5) How many invites do you require?
1

aryo speedwagon (aryo), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

a) requested username: neverwin
b) first name: drew
c) age: 30
d) gender: male
e) geographic location: Manhattan NY

1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week:
!!! - Myth Takes
Air - Pocket Symphony
LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Rockism is a pseudo-intellectual term invented during a simpler time but currently likely employed by people who are either self conscious or untalented. Of course music made by corporate suits is distasteful to an individualist but the term does not pertain to a digital age where the tenants of music production are rapidly degrading. Just as post-modern makes no sense in a post-post-modern world "Rockism" has likewise lost its necessity. For these reasons those who subscribe to this term literally or figuratively are suspect in their intentions and most likely feigning music literacy. In conclusion, rockism is a pseudo-intellectual term likely employed by people who are either self conscious or untalented.

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
http://superherouniverse.com/other/thundercats/images/cheetara.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Well the short and uncreative answer is neither. However I can only guess that you want my opinon and I will have to safely say that it depends on the day for me, even the hour. I am graduate student in biochemistry and wear wireless headphones while I work in a laboratory. Therefore I would say that Sufjan Stevens is more suited to small detail work such as setting up reactions. Conversely Deerhoof is a little higher energy and is "better" for higher energy activites like washing glassware.

5) How many invites do you require?
one please

Drew Waight, Friday, 2 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

a) requested username : 111133
b) first name : jie
c) age : 22
d) gender : male
e) geographic location: Malaysia

1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week:
-Azuli Presents Roger Sanchez Choice-Unmixed DJ Format
-Gabriel And Dresden-The Legends
-James Brown-Soul Legends

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Most white critics 90's grew up immersed in rock, rockism is an approach to music that uses the values of one genre as an unquestioned set of rules and then judges other music by those values. The normative genre has historically been rock. The concept of rockism is truly unique to music; the idea of a critical discourse warped by the values of one genre. While rockism continues to define metal and fuels many of the new male country singers, two of its bulwarks these days are rap, hip hop and the former subculture still sometimes labeled alternative

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catpowerpicno9.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
Sufjan Stevens, He is known for his lyrically focused and instrumentally songs in genres mostly on Folk, Indie rock, Experimental. His songs are on the soothing side where it brings calm and sensual on ones ears. Deerhoof, was formed in 1994. They are known in genres on Pop Rock music, Noise Rock, Alternative Rock, Musical improvisation. With the high funky vocal notes of japan mix styles, it brings the groove that able to tap my feet along. For me, im into the upbeats of groove and funk, im in for Deerhoof.

5) How many invites do you require?
just one, please. Thank you very much.

111133 (111133), Saturday, 3 February 2007 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

lol

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 3 February 2007 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

a) arthurthecrab
b) Colin
c) 22
d) M
e) London, UK


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week

Edan - Beauty & The Beat
Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future
Ellen Allien & Apparat - Orchestra of Bubbles

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

It. Is. Knowing. When. Something. Totally. Fucking. Rocks!

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

http://members.aol.com/realwaileaestate/images/cat%20w-machine%20gun.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

I'm going to go with Deerhoof on this one. I find them significantly more engaging live and Apple O' maintains a place in my top twenty-five albums of all time, particularly on a warm, sunny summer afternoon.
However, I'd certainly question how you can simply state that one artist is 'better' than another. I think this question needs a little more clarification. I mean, Sufjan would probably beat Satomi in a wrestling match, but she'd be totally better than him at yelping and maybe even fishing. However, if Sufjan were to join Deerhoof, then the united forces of these two behemoths of alternative music would surely be immense to the point of causing upset to infants. Similarly, if Deerhoof were to play as Sufjan's backing band on his next tour, I can imagine 'Casimir Pulaski Day' sound quite different. Possibly even better? BETTER AT WHAT?

5) How many invites do you require?

Just one please! Love you!

crabstain, Saturday, 3 February 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

a) abbanda
b) amanda
c) 21
d) female
e) washington, dc


1) the knife "silent shout", caetano veloso "ce", quasimoto "the unseen"

2) rockism is an ideology that tends to favor heterosexual white males, because its main belief is that there was a "golden age" of pure music (usually thought to be the 60's and 70's). Rockism is a sexist, racist, homophobic ideology.


3) http://static.flickr.com/93/214600805_cff9288d2d_o.jpg

4) Personally, I enjoy Deerhoof's chaotic, distinctive music more, however Sufjan Stevens just played in DC and the lines wrapped around 4 blocks, so he must be doing something correcticut.

5) How many invites do you require?
one.

Amanda Bloomfield, Saturday, 3 February 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Barry_Normal
b) Damon
c) 41
d) Male
e) West Midlands, England

1) Labour of Love - UB40, At His Very Best - Robert Palmer, Late Registration - KAnye West
2) Rockism was invented in the 1980s in England. It started during the 2-Tone Movement of bands like the Specials and the Beat who were mixed race groups playing Ska-influenced music. They broke down a lot of barriers in the British music scene at the time. The first record to get to number 1 with a Black British singer was "Ghost Town" by the Specials. This led to a much greater racial integration in British music with bands like Thompson Twins and Big Country all featuring black members, not to mention my favourites the mighty UB40. Some music fans opposed this trend and continued to support white only bands like Iron Maiden or Duran Duran. This reaction was known as Rockism. Is that 8 sentences? ;-)
3) http://www.indietronica.com/IMG/Cat_power.jpg (I had to look her up on Google. Pretty fit!)
4) From what I've heard of Deerhoof they're a shitty comedy band so I have to choose Sufjan Stevens. He writes some classic tunes with lots of feeling, and his lyrics are up there with the greats for me. He has a tendency to do too many stupid noodling "experimental" bits on his albums but as a songwriter he's great. I'd like to hear him do more solo acoustic stuff and get away from the overblown band thing. Deerhoof sound like a Midlands group from the 80s called We've Got a Fuzzbox and We're Gonna Use It. They were a crappy novelty band who dressed like Punks and played really bad versions of proper songs. I don't like novelty bands or bands who play badly whether it's on purpose or not. It's just music for students pretending to be funny or clever. So then, Sufjan.
5) Just the one invite please. Thanks.

Barry Normal (Barry Normal), Saturday, 3 February 2007 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

a) macboy9000
b) Greg
c) 23
d) male
e) Chicago

1) Oingo Boingo: Skeletons in the Closet, The Beatles: Abby Road, Lucky Number

Slevin (The official soundtrack).
2) Rockism is the old-school love and production of classic American rock. It dates

back to British rock around the seventies, and mainly describes music that includes

the classic array of rock intruments, namely guitar, bass, and drums. Rockism

values the old methodologies and use of original instruments, and strays away from

the use of electronic keyboards and the like. Many dislike the ideas proposed by

rockism because of the wide range of controversial subjects it covers. It

sometimes, rather than simply creating a new, and sometimes awful sound, borrows

ideas from different genres, including disco and hip hop, and uses them together.

Critics have also charged it with supporting racism, sexism, and homosexuality,

because the artists that generally produce for it are heterosexual white males. In

my own personal opinion though, rockism produced some of the best rock, and i listen

to it more than I listen to any other music. Except maybe techno ;)
3) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/macboy9000/cat200.jpg
4) I don't really have a preference, mainly because I've only heard a few of their

stuff, but my room mate perfers deerhoof. He likes them better because they've been

around longer and he's had more experience with them, and views Stevens as kind of a

wannabe who stole from deerhoof. I think they both sound interesting, but haven't

really analized the music much. If i get the account I'll be sure to look for some

of them :D
5) Just one.

Greg Stefanopolis, Saturday, 3 February 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

a) requested username bray
b) first name (no surnames)Derk Landers
c) age 29
d) gender Male
e) geographic location NC


1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week What haven't I shared is a better answer.. I have an FTP

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum) rockism? guess I could google it.. but I will do that if someone gives me an account..

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power.. Cat Power? What the heck is that? I have a cat.. does that mean he has powers?

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum) I wouldn't know..

5) How many invites do you require? 1


Derk Landers, Sunday, 4 February 2007 01:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This is still going on?

jimn (jimnaseum), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Derek Landers Borchardt (bray71377@gmail.com) has been rejected for an Oink invite.

Oink Administrator (sanskrit), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost. Kudos on the Chan Marshall pics tho.

jimn (jimnaseum), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

This is still going on?

Jimmy Castor Bunch - It's Just Begun

Oink Administrator (sanskrit), Sunday, 4 February 2007 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

now it looks like it will be a challenge to get one... if i've not mistaken now there are 33 ppl with full answer... from that 23 Oink invites up for grabs... i still love oink admin for givin the p2p community a chance... thanks... cheers!

111133 (111133), Sunday, 4 February 2007 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

a) broadbeans
b) Dean
c) 19
d) male
e) London, UK


1) Beck - The Information, Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future, Murder by Death - In Bocca Al Lupo

2) Rockism is an interesting ideology that criticizes music based on its "authenticity" in relation to the Rock n' Roll concept supposedly perfected during the 70s and 80s. Anything that seems to branch away from such a concept is thought to compromise the purity of the music and therefore its authenticity. While some may argue that because the ideology of rockism is normally catered towards heterosexual white males, it is racist, sexist and a whole of other "ists" generally created when everyone takes everything too seriously. There are admirable qualities of rockism, the take on creating music with pure creativity in mind, not subject to the restraints of the music industry. However, current capitalist trends tend to crush those who are unable to adapt to change. On the other hand, others claim that rockism is not such a thing, but a "dichotomy between art and commerce". The trend of criticism tends to source from extreme views of this ideology, on both sides of the spectrum, rather than an unbiased, moderate view of rockism.

3) http://www.theheadsofstate.com/portfolio/img/catpower/1.jpg

4) While I enjoy both approximately the same, I sort of prefer the light hearted, whimsical sound of Sufjan's Illinois. For some reason I can also relate to the Christian allusions in Seven Swans. The chaotic and occasionally awe inspiring and unrelenting sounds of Deerhoof sometimes scares me and doesn't help me go to sleep. Even though it is good for what it is. While "better" is a rather obscure term and I can bore you philosophically telling you why "perfect" is relative, I like Sufjan Stevens better than Deerhoof, but give me Kings of Convenience any day of the week.

5) Between 0-1. I think one is a more preferable number however.

DeanW, Sunday, 4 February 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

a) requested username: citygirl123
b) first name: Sandra
c) age 24
d) gender: female
e) geographic location: Belgium, Europe


1)Beenie Man – Art and life [192kbps]
J-Live – All of The Above [192kbps]
Roots Manuva – Awfully Deep [192kbps]

2) Rockism means idolizing the authentic old legend (or underground hero) while mocking the latest pop star; lionizing punk while barely tolerating disco; loving the live show and hating the music video; extolling the growling performer while hating the lip-syncher. Rockism isn't unrelated to older, more familiar prejudices - that's part of why it's so powerful, and so worth arguing about. The reason why OutKast and the Roots and Mos Def and the Beastie Boys get taken so much more seriously than other rappers is because rockist critics love it when hip-hop acts impersonate rock 'n' roll bands. Rockism is imperial: it claims the entire musical world as its own. Rock 'n' roll is the unmarked section in the record store, a vague pop-music category that swallows all the others. If you write about music, you're presumed to be a rock critic. There's a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for doo-wop groups and folk singers and disco queens and even rappers - just so long as they, y'know, rock. While there are many definitions of what rockism is, the best summary is when rock music is percived as the 'normative' state of popular music, which means that any other form of music (pop, Hip-Hop - any genre which has emerged over the past couple of decades)is not percieved as worthy of rock n' roll. Rockism is an attitude about evaluating music, and as critics or listeners with critical ears, it would only make sense to be tolerant about the issue, to level the playing field as best we can.

3) http://www.rockobrobje.com/catp_p1.jpg

4)I dind’t know any of the two artists so I checked around on the internet and I heard Sufjan’s “songs for Christmas”.That’s way over the top if you wanna be recognized as an authentic artists in my book. After being exposed to these highly irritating soundtracks, I got on Deerhoof’s myspace. I found their live video’s they posted on there a very good reason to never go and see a live show of them. A very messy and uncontrolled sound must blast from every stage they are performing on and if that’s what people like about them, that’s okay with me but in my opinion they got a long way to go to make it in my collection. The only one I liked was the drummer, he can lay it down but the guitar and vocals are terrible in my opinion. So now I have to choose between two artists I don’t like wich one I like better. Despite the Christmas album I heard, I choose Sufjan Stevens, at least it sounded clean.

5) I require only one invite for myself, thank you.

citygirl123 (citygirl123), Sunday, 4 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i still like mine best

Will M. (Will M.), Sunday, 4 February 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Bishop Desmond Tutu
2. Jay Jay
3. 31
4. Yes, please
5. 818 18th St, Chicago IL

1) Patience and Prudence - 'Greatest Hits'; Uncle Dave Macon - 'Keep My Skillet Good and Greasy: Box Set'; Elk Mating Rituals - 'Eponymous'

2) Rockism is a delicious jam produced by Smuckers. It comes in multiple fruit flavors, each one more tasty than the next. Some people believe that it was brought to us as a gift from Jesus, but this has been proved untrue in the second Star Wars movie ('Empire', not the other one). Sometimes I like to eat rockism spread between two intact rockists and this makes me an anthropagiast. I'm seeking counselling, but the real bottom line is that a taste this vibrant and powerful cannot be denied. A rose is a rose is a rockist rose. With a name like rockism, it's gotta be good. This is the eighth sentence.

3) http://www.newphx.com/Pic/PowerCat/PowerCatuncon2.jpg

4) No Sufjan, no credibility. No Surfin', no credibilty. No Suffering, no credibility. No Succotash, no suffering. No Sylvester, get down from there. No Puddin', no meat. This is the seventh sentence. No Shoes, no service.

5) No thank you, I'm covered; I just like taking tests.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 4 February 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Wordsause
b) Rachel
c) 16
d) Female
e) Minnesota, USA

1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week

Soundrabbit- Music for the Woods, Act II
Down Lo- Lead My Way
Virginia Coalition - Live At the 9:30 Club


2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Rockism is a controversial concept that developed in the early 1980's. It is hard to for me to come up with a real meaning for a concept but after doing some research I think that rockism could be just another genre to add to the evergrowing list. But also something I would hear the music snobs saying. Due to the certian authenticity that appeals to them. Those same kind of people could be found as the ones saying "They don't even write their own songs!" And claiming they have heard of a band before they were on the OC and just trying to establish theirself as a musical elitist. Some say rockism refers to the more old school rock, like Bruce Springsteen, opposed to the killers. I think it is when you pick up a cd and every single song is good not just the singles with a bunch of shitty fillers. Overall it is hard to describe a concept that pretty much anyone can pick up and put their own spin on it -- so why even have it?

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

http://www.epiclylaterd.com/cha1.jpg


4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)
I've gotta say Sufjan Stevens. I gave deerhoof a few listens now and I honestly don't really get it. Upon first listen I caught myself thinking what the heck. The songs are composed well and all the girls voice just kind of annoys me and I cannot tell what she is saying, if those are actual words. But they are interesting and unique I will give them that. Now Sufjan's music is very thought out and I think he is a very talented multi-instrumentalist. His music is relaxing and calming and deerhoof is good I just can't find myself really wanting to listen to.

5) 1 please :)

Rachel Knoll, Sunday, 4 February 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Lowlife
b) Daniel
c) 21
d) Macho Male
e) Stockholm


1)
Animal Collective - Sung Tongs
The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace
The Fall - Grotesque

2)
Rockism is the ugly and dirty desire to get more and more rock pumped into your brain. This desire is so strong that when you hear about a new place to fulfill your urge you completely block out the world and spend the evening writing paragraphs about rockism. Rockism is not caring that tomorrow you will have to go and bullshit your professor why you couldn't finish an assignment that was due. You can not get rid of the urge unless you have sex. But since the urge reappears as soon as the person next to you want to snuggle, it is best to cure your desire right before you go to sleep. Rockism wont be a problem in the future since it will probably most likely solve global warming as soon as it has infected enough people. However, this infection process is slow but do not despair since there has been found a direct correlation between spread of Rockism and the number of fast moving objects in the world. Therefore, Rockism will concur the world as soon as we can travel at the speed of light (probably within 20 years or so). Finally, Rockism wont survive unless YOU believe in it!

3)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/vikings/images/beliefs/cat.gif


4)
This must be a trick question since I dont like any of them. Sufjan has never seemed challenging enough. It is beautiful but so is taking a crap. It always seems as if something is missing like there could be something more to it. I think this goes for Deerhoof too. But I dont think any of them can be considered to be the best new acts. I would classify them as mediocre. But if I had to choose I would pick Deerhoof because they have better looks than Sufjan. Something I do like is to write very short sentences.

5)
I am only man enough for one!

Daniel Pesos, Sunday, 4 February 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

btw wordsauce ur vr pretty

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 4 February 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Vlake
b) Cesco
c) 27
d) M
e) Italy (Rome)

1) Teagan and Sara - So jealous [192kbps]; Laura Veirs - Year Of Meteors [192kbps]; Vasco Rossi - The Platinum Collection [192kbps].

2) Rockism is an ideology of popular music criticism, originating in the British music press in the late 1970s or early 1980s. The fundamental tenet of rockism is that some forms of popular music, and some musical artists, are more authentic than others. More specifically, authentic popular music fits the rock and roll paradigm; it is made using the basic rock instrumentation of guitars, bass guitars and drums, and fits the structures of a rock and roll song.

3)[URL=http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=369347sl0.jpg][IMG]http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2843/369347sl0.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

4)Escaping,disrespect,playful.In one word childish.It could be begun in this way to describe the Deerhoof.A band from the thousand faceting,that impressive unembarrassment succeeds to make to cohabit in its music elements in evident contradiction between they with one: "the progressive" immediacy of punk and an approach, the garage and the nursery rhyme for children make of they my Preferred ones, even if Sufjan Stevens is much particular one, the American of Michigan has decided to write and to record a every album for single state of the great nation, the cure of the detail is maniacal and every tipsy agreement of an inspiration that in the POP seemed to lack.

5)1 x myself

Vlake, Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

a) Vlake
b) Cesco
c) 27
d) M
e) Italy (Rome)

1) Teagan and Sara - So jealous [192kbps]; Laura Veirs - Year Of Meteors [192kbps]; Vasco Rossi - The Platinum Collection [192kbps].

2) Rockism is an ideology of popular music criticism, originating in the British music press in the late 1970s or early 1980s. The fundamental tenet of rockism is that some forms of popular music, and some musical artists, are more authentic than others. More specifically, authentic popular music fits the rock and roll paradigm; it is made using the basic rock instrumentation of guitars, bass guitars and drums, and fits the structures of a rock and roll song.

3)[URL=http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=369347sl0.jpg][IMG]http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2843/369347sl0.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

4)Escaping,disrespect,playful.In one word childish.It could be begun in this way to describe the Deerhoof.A band from the thousand faceting,that impressive unembarrassment succeeds to make to cohabit in its music elements in evident contradiction between they with one: "the progressive" immediacy of punk and an approach, the garage and the nursery rhyme for children make of they my Preferred ones, even if Sufjan Stevens is much particular one, the American of Michigan has decided to write and to record a every album for single state of the great nation, the cure of the detail is maniacal and every tipsy agreement of an inspiration that in the POP seemed to lack.

5)1 x myself

Vlake (Vlake), Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Exscusme for the 2 post,i'm sorry :lol

Vlake (Vlake), Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

trying to apply twice: rejected

OiNK admin (am0n), Sunday, 4 February 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok thanks the same one,(however I had post two times for mistake believing that before the time me had not taken)ciao to all.

Vlake (Vlake), Monday, 5 February 2007 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

The number of people plagiarizing their rockism essays is astounding!

Horace deBorchardt [oink forum admin] (ex machina), Monday, 5 February 2007 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I ask excuse I am Italian and I did not know the meant one until yesterday of the Rockism word, therefore I have tried in Internet and I have read and copied the definition,i'm sorry.

Vlake (Vlake), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

FAKER

UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL REAL

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country: IT
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am0n (am0n), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:19 (seventeen years ago) link

do u obtain much hard one

pabs (Pablo A), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

User Details:

a) lordfrikk
b) Lukas
c) 23
d) M
e) Czech Republic, Europe

Apply Form:

1) Name three shared albums (+192kbps only) that others have successfully downloaded from you in the past week

1| Thomas Newman - Meet Joe Black OST (320kbps)
2| J.Majik Presents Nightvision (224kbps)
3| Trapt - Unreleased Songs (various)

2) What is rockism? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

I understand the term rockism/rockist as being derogatory for people who are really CLASSIC rockers listening to all the CLASSIC rock with no sense about something else, something that is not that mainstream.

I found this few sentences about it:
Was a term used in the late 80s in Britain. It indicated people, who don't listen to experimental music or diverse music, but only like straight ahead rock/metal music hence the term rockist. Someone was rockist if they only listened to hard rock music: AC/DC, Black Crowes, Judas Priest/ Gun/ Tesla/ Guns N Roses/Little Angels/ King Swamp/The Almighty/ Def Leppard etc. And their favoutite music night - was "rock nite" - with long hair/leather jacket/ Guns N Roses patches/ jack daniels/ headbanging/ skinny black jeans - i.e. all the rock clichés - I am not going there, it is too rockist. I used to refer in a derogatory manner to someone in University in the late 80s for being too rockist, i.e they use to read only Raw magazine and their music tastes were too rockist.

- DJ Martian

3) Post a link to your favorite picture of Cat Power

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/5220/k9f332biu5.jpg

4) Which artist is better, Sufjan Stevens or Deerhoof? Why? (answer in paragraph format, eight sentence minimum)

Let me say right from the start - I don't listen to neither of them. I don't like folk music and I don't like dance music. And as to comparison of these two - I'd say they can't be really compared because they are absolutely different styles of music. I'd be able to say which one is best If I listened to one of them which I don't. Though I'd experiment so I downloaded one song from each. After listening to both of them, I guess I like Deerhoof better because folk music if as far from me as it gets.

5) How many invites do you require?

1

Lukas Kucharczyk, Monday, 5 February 2007 08:16 (seventeen years ago) link


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