siouxsie and the banshees: classic or dud? search and destroy

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I think the pop production helps the songs. I don't know how could another kind of production make the singles better than they are. They are wierd pop singles, that is why they are so good.

― Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(I mean seriously, how amazing must an album be when the weakest song on it is "Party's Fall"?????????)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I started a thread about this band = Holy fuck, was 2001 a long time ago.

Actually, I think that the last time I listened to them might have been in 2001.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

And to make a Beatles cover is like to run naked in a church - everybody will hate you for this. But I think they made a pretty good job.

― Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

(What's amusing is I don't think I've never actually heard most of the tracks people are talking about. I only ever had Once Upon a Time and the "Love In a Void" demos. Oh wait, I bought another one once and got rid of it quickly. It was the one with "Christine, banana split lady".)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

And to make a Beatles cover is like to run naked in a church - everybody will hate you for this. But I think they made a pretty good job.

Um, except everyone loves their cover of "Helter Skelter" (where "everyone" actually means "me"). The problem is that the song "Dear Prudence" is an irredeemably twee piece of shitty songwriting that should be beaten with sticks.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the white album and I think the Beatles are.. the Beatles. NOBODY CAN MAKE COVERS OF THEIR SONGS. It's a sin. You will fail, there is no chance you can beat the originals.

But at least, Dead Prudence is filler to a great album, in my opinion.

― Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

See, I'd like the song more if it actually WAS called "Dead Prudence" and was maybe 40 BPM faster.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

*blank-eyed Numanoid stare over aggro beats*

"DEAD Pru-DENCE
WILL-YOU-NOT-COME-OUT-AND-PLAY
DEAD Pru-DENCE
GREET-THE-BRAND-NEW-DAY."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dear Prudence" (Fuck Deutschland Mix) +- Atari Teenage Riot

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Dear... not dead.

The problem is i am Elvis is DEAD.

But now I think "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE". Pour Prudence...

― Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

a/ "dead prudence" (sheep on drugs mix)/ b/ "dead prudence" (feindflug mix)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the white album and I think the Beatles are.. the Beatles. NOBODY CAN MAKE COVERS OF THEIR SONGS. It's a sin. You will fail, there is no chance you can beat the originals.

I dunno. I like every Beatles cover over the original except for that Journey cover of "It's All Too Much".

All of the Siouxsie Beatles covers are great, even that recent cover of "Blue Jay Way"

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I forgot about "Blue Jay Way"! That's fantastic, too.

More credence for the "'Dear Prudence' is actually shitty" theory.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

would actually like to reiterate that _TINDERBOX_ IS FUCKING GODLIKE AND A MUST-OWN ALBUM FOR EVERYONE ON EARTH

OT$$$

With the upcoming heatwave, it might be time to give '92 Degrees' a few spins! OMG I love that song..

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

reminder: tonight 11pm

Wednesday 20th October

Siouxsie Sioux guest presenting The John Peel show
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

tune in !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Sioux sounded pretty bored to start with ... maybe she was miffed to discover that tomorrows guest presenter is Robert Smith.

However, it picked up!

― Muppet Boy, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

What stuff did she play?

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Revive to note the genius that is the Downside Up B-side collection. I had most of these songs on mp3 but the combination of the pretty cool artwork and liner notes and remastered-from-the-tapes-instead-of-vinyl sound = glorious. SO many good songs. "Pulled to Bits," "Drop Dead/Celebration," "Red Over White," "Coal Mind," "We Fall," "Tattoo," "(There's a) Planet in My Kitchen," "The Humming Wires," "An Execution," "Lullaby," "Shooting Sun," "Sleepwalking (On the High Wire)"...I could go on (and probably will as I continute to relisten to this).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"She's Cuckoo," "Something Blue" (man, that guitar part!)...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"An Execution" is total genius, as is "Pulled To Bits".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And finally hearing the Thorn EP is a treat.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The first disc works as a nice precursor to that otherwise inexplicable first Creatures record. I was more interested in the late-era stuff because I stopped paying attention after Superstition and was curious to hear what they'd been doing away from the committee-killed gloss material on the records. "Spiral Twist" could be the worst thing they ever recorded. It nearly invalidates the entire history of the band for me. They'e always done this, the lowest low, then reclamation a la some perfect little moment like "Return."

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"Spiral Twist" could be the worst thing they ever recorded

Not as long as "Got to Get Up" off Superstition exists.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Aw, I like "Got To Get Up".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, that doesn't come close to "Spiral Twist"...apart from her voice it could be the Fixx!

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Aw, I like "Got To Get Up".

The version I saw at Lollapalooza still disturbs my soul. (Arguably it even crucifies my chest.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hah, "Got to Get Up" is easily my fave off Superstition. I remember seeing a great live version of it on 120 Minutes too.

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, is the box set coming out domestically in the US? cheaper, maybe?

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Wah! *cries* I want to hear the Thorn EP, too. :(

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

What was the name of that completely untraceable duet Siouxsie did weith Morrissey? I wuv her.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Was the Thorn EP particularly rare then?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The duet was called "Interlude".

(xpost)

― Seb (Seb), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

And The Thorn was long out of print and had never been released on CD in full before (and never in America at all, I believe) -- only "Overground" had surfaced digitally via Twice Upon a Time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

"Song From The Edge Of The World" = Heaven on Earth.

It is a little alarming to realize how much Siouxsie Schtick Karen O has appropriated (actually The Yeah Yeah Yeahs sound like they put Scream-era Banshees on heavy repeat for the entirety of their teenage years but that's another thread) but I'll take it in whatever form I can get it.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sin In My Heart" is also absolutely wonderful. My teenaged self is screaming in frustration at me for not having enough money back then to buy all of the Siouxsie albums in addition to the Cure albums.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been listening to siouxsie all week.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I caught the video for "Dear Prudence" on VH1Classic this morning before heading out to work. Nice way to start an otherwise dreary day.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...

AHEM...

(Apparently I am the only person who thinks "Dear Prudence" is deeply embarrassing.)

-- Dan Perry (djperr...), March 17th, 2003.

Right there with ya, Dan. Never liked their cover of "Dear Prudence."

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), March 17th, 2003.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Seeing Siouxsie, regardless of what she's singing, is still a nice way to start an otherwise dreary day, so eat a big bag of throbbing cocks, Bob.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I fully expect people to start investigating whether this constitutes adequate grounds for have me sectioned; however I do actually prefer The Banshees' versions of Dear Prudence and Helter Skelter to The Beatles'.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 07:08 (eighteen years ago) link

If it's the Nocturne version of Helter Skelter, agree. The Scream version is a bit flat for me - but I think the whole production of that album hasn't aged well.

The Nocturne version of 'Dear Prudence' is appalling - but I quite like the shimmering quality of the single.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Also,

search: the authorised biography.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:42 (eighteen years ago) link

There isn't a single version of the song "Dear Prudence" in existence that isn't absolute shit. I really, really hate the song, it doesn't matter who does it.

Conversely, every version of "Helter Skelter" is awesome, including U2's.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Beatles stole this song from Siouxsie. Fucking punks. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA."

(This could only have improved Rattle and Hum.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

like r.e.m., the very first work they ever did was brilliant -- possibly the greatest punk rock ever. (the demos roar unconfined by the dated production on _the scream_.) subsequent early releases showed great songs nearly destroyed by the senselessly thin pop production. and like r.e.m., they turned to shit too soon and stayed way too long.

Everything in this paragraph makes my head spin

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

From the authorised biography, you can learn such facts as that the Banshees sold three times as many t-shirts when they ended their shows with 'Dear Prudence'.

[Also that Jon Klein was sacked for hair-loss...Before reading that I always thought there was a rock'n'roll gene that somehow ensured that an unlikely percentage of males in the music business (except Elton John & Phil Collins) keeps a full head of hair.]

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

From the authorised biography, you can learn such facts as that the Banshees sold three times as many t-shirts when they ended their shows with 'Dear Prudence'.

This is kind of all the reasons why I hate people encapsulated in an evil little parable.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Nocturne finally out on DVD!. As I had a VHS tape with only twelve of the sixteen songs this is rather good to hear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 May 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

OOooooh! Cheers, Ned!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 May 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

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