b-b-b-but they had to have some screaming gosepl shit there. That was the tornado scene!
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link
It's either all in the pretty much the same tempo or all in the same key, I can't remember which. Didn't one of the band members admit later that they realized this after the fact and should have varied it a bit? Anyway, I think the shapeless description is dead on although another word that would fit is monotonous.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link
animals > wish you were here >>> dark side of the moon
― Amon (eman), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (eastern_mantr...), June 17th, 2005 9:05 PM.
How do you mean?
The former sounds a lot like a skewered cousin of the latter to my ears. It's hard to explain but it makes sense to me. If Pink Floyd weren't so dreary I could see them making something like it.
Speaking of dreary, it amazes me how lifeless Dark Side sounds in comparison with Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, which was recorded the following year and produced by Nick Mason.
― Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Y'know, I'm almost pining for the days when I had to fend off an ICP fan. It was much more fun to bitch about the Incredible Shiteness of ICP instead of the Incredible Shiteness of Floyd. "ICP" merely sounds like the name of an evil corporation; whereas "Pink Floyd" sounds like the name of the flounciest redneck at the truckstop diner.
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link
this is SO right. rock bottom is also laced with wyatt's sense of humour, which makes it an immensely more appealing album.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Also see Axl Rose going "Yow!" all over the good parts of the Use Your Illusion albums. I would've been right behind ya, Izzy.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link
you can say what you like about the self-indulgence, the would-be jazz affectations, the 'suburban loner' isms referenced up top and tie yrself in endless knots about why it sold so many who to and such...but you really can't beat TIME.
the major flaw i think if there is one on this album is gilmour's vocals but no one's mentioned that so maybe it's just me.
― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link
B-b-b-b-but she's white!
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyways, the case against: It's too slow. "On The Run" is the only track with any real energy - not that NRG was ever Floyd's specialty. And it's mostly useless as audio accompaniment to "The Wizard Of Oz", unless you've got much better drugs than me.
[If this were a "Defend the indefensible" thread, I'd say that a cerebral soulless part of me will always retain a certain fascination/satisfaction with the sheer lushness of this sort of state-of-the-art pre-'80s recording. That'll never change. But there are so many other Floyd LPs I'd sooner listen to when I'm in the mood for Floyd, which is rare.]
― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― bendy (bendy), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― dr lulu (dr lulu), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link
The psuedo-jazz affectations of the saxophone. Being another mainstream band that thought adding black female vocalists makes things more soulful (I'm not sure of who sings on record, but I know they were guilty of this later). AOR affectations that clip off meandering songs before they develop and make possible singles weaker because they only really fit in the scope of the album. Songs about time and money that make amazing observations.
― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:47 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't think it matters, but wasn't the female singer actually white? Your point still stands though
― iago g., Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Whatever happened to Custos?
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Custos = Dom
― № 1 (libcrypt), Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link
people who go out of their way to attack records like Dark Side are pathetic to me. I mean, it's not one of my favorites, but it isn't offensive or anything. Like it or don't, jesus.
― Kevin Keller, Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey, I like it! I think Christgau's comment about it being kitsch says more about him than it
― iago g., Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:09 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.lifeinlegacy.com/2004/0221/TroyDoris.jpgDoris Troy
― energizing the base (briania), Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:12 (fifteen years ago) link
They were actually playing that Dub Side of the Moon thing in the bar I was in last night. Pretty good, and bot just in that "Well, it's better than the reggae tribute to the Police" way.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:13 (fifteen years ago) link
ftr There were three black female backing singers on Dark Side doing the three part harmony stuff, the vocalist on The Great Gig is Claire Torry who is white.
― MaresNest, Sunday, 2 November 2008 20:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks MaresNest, I knew she was white.
― iago g., Sunday, 2 November 2008 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link
RIP Roger The Hat
It was with sadness that we heard the news this week that Roger "The Hat" Manifold, a prominent and much loved roadie in the 1970s for Pink Floyd, Johnny Winter, and many others, passed away on October 31st, 2009. He got his famous nickname due to his habit of wearing a top hat (and other such headwear) during his roadie duties.He is best known to Floyd fans as one of the more notable voices heard on The Dark Side Of The Moon, providing lines such as "Live for today; gone tomorrow. That's me!" and "I mean they're gonna kill you, so if you give them a short, sharp shock, they don't do it again.... I mean, good manners don't cost nothing, do they? Eh?"
He is best known to Floyd fans as one of the more notable voices heard on The Dark Side Of The Moon, providing lines such as "Live for today; gone tomorrow. That's me!" and "I mean they're gonna kill you, so if you give them a short, sharp shock, they don't do it again.... I mean, good manners don't cost nothing, do they? Eh?"
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 12 November 2009 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
A suggestion that on later CD pressings a faintly audible orchestral version of The Beatles's "Ticket to Ride" can be heard after "Eclipse", over the album's closing heartbeats, may be due to a remastering error.[47]
Wow, I've been wondering about that for years. I always assumed this was intentional. And I never knew it was "Ticket To Ride..." Thats... kinda amazing.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have a problem with this record at all. The only real criticism I could level at it, is that if I'm in completely the wrong mood, 'Us And Them' draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags like a motherfucker.
― Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
pink floyd rules
― tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
I hate the sound of this record
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
forward he cried from the rearand the Pink Floyd rules
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
A suggestion that on later CD pressings a faintly audible orchestral version of The Beatles's "Ticket to Ride" can be heard after "Eclipse", over the album's closing heartbeats, may be due to a remastering error.if you play "ticket to ride" backwards you can hear ringo say "pinnnnk floyyyyyd rullllles"
― tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
In fact, come to think of it: Nick Mason's drumming. Are those drum tracks completely laced with marijuana or could he just not be bothered? :D His drumming has this real 'I caaaaan't beeeeee arrrrsed' feeling about it, which I really don't get from many other Pink Floyd albums.
― Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
huh, the part where the drums come in on us and them is like my favorite part of this record
― tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
hell yes
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
should I turn off "Jamaica Jerk-Off" to listen to "Us & Them"
ridiculous question, I know
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
The most powerful drumming on the record has to be on either 'Time' or 'Eclipse'. The part where 'Brain Damage' segues into 'Eclipse' is THE moment on this record for me.
― Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://meanspeedmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/pink-floyd-meanspeed-chart-speed-psychology-us-and-them-1a.jpg
I have no idea what this means but it rules
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
― Euler, Friday, February 17, 2012 11:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes :)
― Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link
I think if you read that graph starting right when "Us & Them" starts, it rules
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
lollll i love that graph.
― tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://meanspeedmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/pink-floyd-meanspeed-chart-speed-psychology-us-and-them-2.jpg
wtf
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
by which I mean, it rules
― Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
no idea what i was on about 6 years ago re Gilmour's vocals. i love those vocals!
― piscesx, Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link