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One does sense that he might file these records away as 'difficult' though... Anyone attacking Faust, Captain Beefheart, Sun Ra et al clearly wants his sounds straightforward, which all these Enos certainly aren't. He's hardly going to take to the use of the Portsmouth Sinfonia, eh...?
What sort of music does this writer actually like...? Sounds Hornbyite. I admit I have not read a great number of his reviews, but then I've never really taken the Guardian as too good on music. I suppose they have had Morley writing on occasion, and a few of those pieces were as amusing as he is wont to be.

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW, as it's just about my favourite 'pop-period Eno', mood-wise at least.

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Amen.

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW

Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 06:03 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Shit, I just bought "More Music From Films" the other day--should I open it?

John 2, Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link

if you wish to play it in your CD player, then yes.

latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Bits sound as if they are excerpts from the 2-track group jams that Eno put together for 'Another Green World'; but these are the sections he never finished or overdubbed further -- so it's a CD of the tape fading up for 45-60 seconds worth, then down again. Definitely does not flow like an album.

Some 'ANG' tracks appear in slightly different versions. Some of the tracks are barely distinguishable 'alternate' mixes of pieces from 'Music For Films' volume I, the last few tracks are rough versions of the drones from 'Apollo'. Incredibly annoying liner notes, 43 minutes long.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, sorry. I was refering to the batch that we messed up--similar to 'green world'---as heard here in the top review:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007GFFVG/qid=1112633362/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-0855610-6327942?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

John 2, Monday, 4 April 2005 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
How significant is the increase in sound quality on these reissues? Now that these new versions are out, loads of the original issues are being traded in and can be found cheap and readily.

$15 new version or $10 used old version?

Or are there some albums that are worth getting the reissues of, and some that are not? Hopefully someone with a keen ear can lend some advice.

JBC (flamingrev), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Some stores have been selling the reissues new for $10.. so I've just been diving in on those deals, and selling the old ones back (although at this point, there's no more old Eno CDs for me to sell back.. although I have to check to see if my AGW CD has that fuckup on "Everything Merges With The Night")

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

As far as sound quality goes, I think the new ones certainly sound better.. the greatest sound quality improvement has been on Before And After Science, if I had to choose one. But I think Music For Films sounds significantly better too..

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, on Here Come The Warm Jets, the original CD issue had some fuckups on "Blank Frank". It sounds like the master tapes were catching on something earlier in the song for brief moments, which added a neat effect, but was distracting. I believe they are gone now on the reissues.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Wait, you're telling me that "Blank Frank" momentary slow-down thing isn't intentional? The music stays in time and on beat! That's my favorite part of the song! It sounds like it's playing on a record and someone spun it back a measure. Say it ain't so!

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd have to listen again.. there are two specific moments.. there's one at the beginning, and one later that happens on the sound of a tom drum. The latter is the one that sounds coolest.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

he's not talking about the part of the song where everything slows down (xpost)

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Eno would appreciate this debate.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link

It doesn't really slow down, I didn't really explain it right. I'm talking about the part at beginning of the song, in the first line "Blank Frank is the messenger of your doom and your destruction." While the word "destruction" is being stretched out, there's a part where it "hiccups" (for lack of a better word) but stays on beat, like a record or reel-to-reel tape being spun back really fast, and it's awesome. So that was an accident?

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I think that was an accident. I'd have to relisten on the remasters. If it's not on the remasters, it was a mistake.

It happens again, later on but on the sound of the tom drum.

So, yeah, Nick and I are talking about the same thing. It's not a full tempo slowdown, it's a hiccup, not unlike accidentally pressing down on a spinning record for a split second, or -- more likely in this case -- a reel-to-reel tape where some splicing tape got caught on something while whirling around.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Which makes it a pretty cool accident, because it seems like a very "Eno" thing to do, like something he'd do on purpose. Has anyone else seen that footage of Roxy Music doing "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" on German TV and during the big solo at the end, Eno's messing with like four big reel-to-reel tape machines set up on stage behind him? It's the coolest.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

where would i see that??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, that DVD of the German TV appearances is awesome! It actually made me appreciate the Bryan Ferry a lot more. I can't believe that the vocal effect on Blank Frank was an accident though. If so, I'm definitely keeping my old CD because that's one of the best parts.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I've got that DVD, am., I can show it to you the next time you're over.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for the link to the DVD, I just bought one

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh I should have said that the one Sarah got me has a different cover and was like super-el-cheapo. But maybe it's not the full version or something. There are about 5 T-Rex songs and 5 RM songs.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

this reminds me of when i downloaded a luomo mp3 that had an error in it, it sort of jump-cutted to a different part of the song. i always thought it was the neatest effect, almost "cinematic" (bleah), but then i found out 2 years later it was an encoding error or something!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

These jewel case Eno CDs I imagine are the same remasters? Anyone found them or or the digipaks going cheap anywhere>

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:13 (nine years ago) link

Yup, the jewel case CD's are the same. I managed to grab a couple of them for £7 in Fopp recently. Amazon had the whole bunch for around the same price the last time I checked.

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:45 (nine years ago) link

Go for the jexel cases if you can, the plastic sleeve surround on the digipaks is so tight it's practically impossible to extract thge digipaks without fucking them up slightly.

double shyamalan (MaresNest), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:25 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, thata a fair point. Those plastic sleeve's are murder!

AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:33 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

2017 half-speed LPs? Are they a bunch of hooey or what?

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 13:27 (one year ago) link

have not heard them, but...

CONSUMER ALERT!!

Apparently the reissue of Another Green World is messed up. The "Rosalie" line is mysteriously edited out of "Everything Merges With The Night" acc. to some who bought the reissue. I'm not sure this is the case with ALL of them... and I sadly missed this the first time around to listening to the reissues.. and I don't have time to check for myself.

So, um, those of you who HAVE the reissue of AGW, check it and note it, if that's the case. Surely, they are working on rectifying this, one would hope.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, June 2, 2004 7:55 AM (fourteen years ago)

what the fuck, now I gotta check for this stupid mistake

sleeve, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 14:01 (one year ago) link

They fixed the AGW mistake after the first pressing of the remaster.

I haven't heard the half-speed reissues, but reports vary pretty widely on the Hoffman forums: a lot of people like them, but some have noted dropouts and other defects that didn't used to be there, while faulty copies aren't uncommon (as with seemingly most vinyl releases in recent years).

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 13 June 2018 14:22 (one year ago) link

Has this half speed stuff not been debunked?

Duke, Thursday, 14 June 2018 20:59 (one year ago) link

this is one of my favorite steve hoffman forum posts ever: "Half-speed mastering is a two-edged sword. One one edge, for a response of 20-20,000, the cutterhead only has to go up to 10,000, so if there are any nonlinearities in the upper range, they will be greatly reduced. Plus, if you were going to, say, 30,000 Hz (and you can, with both analog masters and vinyl) you'll have that much more "breathing room" up there.

On the other edge of the sword, and this is a pretty sharp edge, you have to apply only half the RIAA curve when cutting the lacquer, and that's not always easy to do. Plus, now your response for 20-20K has to go down to 10 Hz. And to make things even more fun, the response of playback heads is slightly different at 15 IPS than at 30 IPS. That's why, generally, you'll find 15 IPS machines set to NAB, and 30 IPS machines running IEC.

Half-speed, when done well, is very good. It's just not easy, and my kudos to those that can pull it off."

what????

akm, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:31 (one year ago) link

wow, good find, that's fascinating to me (I also had no idea what NAB/IEC meant, looked it up and they are EQ standards)

I already have these albums on OG vinyl and the remastered CDs, so I have no stake in this but I'd be wary if I was in the market

sleeve, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:36 (one year ago) link

wary of the half speed versions, I mean

sleeve, Thursday, 14 June 2018 21:37 (one year ago) link

Has this half speed stuff not been debunked?

― Duke, Thursday, June 14, 2018 1:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

GO FOR IT

brimstead, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:01 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

Apparently "Apollo" is being reissued in an expanded edition, with a second disc of music. What's unclear to me is if the second disc is unreleased old material or new music inspired by revisiting the soundtrack.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 11:56 (four months ago) link

Cool, love Deep Blue Day.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:17 (four months ago) link

the second disc is a newly recorded album, according to Eno's facebook post (which makes it sound like the Eno brothers had been estranged, lol):

Apollo – Atmospheres & Soundtracks – Extended Edition’ out July 19th. Eno reunites with brother, Roger and Daniel Lanois on 11 new tracks accompanying the seminal remastered album. On 2LP gatefold vinyl, limited numbered 2CD with hardcover book, + standard 2CD. Enoshop and uDiscover each have 250 copies of a free limited ‘Apollo’ A2 print for vinyl and limited CD versions.

it was previously remastered in 2005, so I'm not sure why his site claims it's being "remastered for the first time". the new material should be interesting though

lispectah deck (unregistered), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:16 (four months ago) link

blah, I just recently hunted down a nice copy of this on vinyl to replace my shitty one. guess I'm buying this again this summer.

akm, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 22:02 (four months ago) link

Awesome, really looking forward to this. I have a copy of Apollo but it’s a little beat up and skips sometimes. Plus I think Eno is currently making the beat music he’s made since...Apollo

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:47 (four months ago) link

^best^ music, I meant. So I’m looking forward to the new tracks!

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:48 (four months ago) link

Roger’s second record, Between Tides, is exceptional. Apollo is maybe a bit overrated but I’m looming forward to this.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 May 2019 20:39 (four months ago) link


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