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Although I've found something called "Born to Fail" by what must be a different band called The Killers. It's not bad for regular punk rock stuff. Reminds me a little of "Masochism World", I think.

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― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

thats probably, ex-iron maiden frontman, Paul Dianno's band

― chaki in charge (chaki), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

they are so fucking bad I can't believe it. one of the worst bands to come with a wave of praise behind them, mildly disappointing acts like Interpol or the Strokes after the first album can't even compete with the Killers.

I simply can't believe that even indie critics would accept this sub teen movie crap as something good, and beyond good, as something cool!!!!!

Do people have any standards whatsoever?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha! I listened to the album the other day - I quite enjoy it. It's good bubblegum synthpunk. Nice hooks.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought i hated them and then i heard jacques lu cont play 'mr brightside' and i didn't hate them so much, but i think i still kinda hate them. they seem a lot more absurd than interpol or whoever so i can appreciate that.

― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

my reaction the first time i heard them was exactly like ronan's though, do people have any standards, indeed.

― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Somebody Told Me is wicked. The last track on the album was A Fucking Bad Idea though.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

wtf! are these guys american!!??!!??!!?? i thought we'd all gone back to 1994 or some shit. but if they're american that wd explain it: they are the new green day, if you catch my drift.

― henry miller, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

sub teen movie crap

Sounds good to me.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

dasbootfast club

― henry miller, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but you're actually teenage, whereas Ronan is now early 20s and so kicking against it with all his might. I however am mid-20s, and thus do nothing but read comics and play video games.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I find the huge praise and popularity very bemusing: I suppose "Somebody Told Me" isn't too bad (I was pleasantly surprised that it had a tune &c, after the debacle of every Libertines song I've tried to listen to) but this band are just so unremittingly mediocre and uninteresting.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been obsessing over "Mr Brightside". Maybe my favourite Placebo song right now (and I like Placebo plenty).

The problem with The Killers is that they take all that was annoying about Placebo and nothing that was good (ie, the first two albums).

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

The second Placebo album is the best thing they ever made, though, Dom! And I can't hear any of it in The Killers...lots and lots of Rick Witter, however. And Duran. Mmm.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm implying that "Placebo" and "Without You I'm Nothing" are the only two Placebo albums that don't make me want to cry with embarassment that I own them.

The Killers totally sound like early Placebo, when they were in NME rather than Kerrang.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm literally flabbergasted these guys are from vegas and want to sound like a fucking melody maker singles review page from autumn 1996.

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but you're actually teenage, whereas Ronan is now early 20s and so kicking against it with all his might. I however am mid-20s, and thus do nothing but read comics and play video games.

Is this what I have to expect for the next seven years of my life?

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

no, you don't have to hate teen movies in your early twenties. i'm mid-twenties and still like 'em but never felt the need to harsh on them. however, this doesn't stop ver killers from being teh sukc, because they are repro through and through. whereas teen movies progress.

― Miles Finch, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

irrelevant since I'm not british anyway.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone need The Killers now The Bravery have arrived?

― mnm, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps Dawsons Creek is a better reference point than the fairly broad "teen movies", but I said that elsewhere!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Fun as it is, I'm pretty surprised that The Killers' Hot Fuss has been nominated for a Brit Award...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Slag against the Strokes: check; first 34 posts in; 2.5 occurences total
Disparaging remark about "hipster[s]": check; first 2 posts in; 2 occurences total
Usage of the term "rubbish": astonishingly, zero

I am going to use this judging system for every single "[insert new rock band that sounds vaguely like '70s/'80s/'90s Britpop band] sucks" thread from here on in.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Mr. Brightside is totally wasted on a shitty video...

― Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF that video is one of the best of the year! Eric Roberts and the singer plays checkers over a girl in a bordello! DANCING! Lots of shameless Robert Smith-Simon Le Bon style mugging. He even knocks over a table in slo-mo a la "Hungry Like The Wolf!" AFTER Eric Roberts makes a kissy face at him!

FUCKING CLASSIC.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Between that and "She Will Be Loved," Sophie Muller was easily the best video director of '04. Drama!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I still think this album is thoroughly enjoyable.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

My review of Hot Fuss for Stylus. Teeny OTM.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

ironically, anthony is wrong...

― Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(wrt the video part)

― Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

dude I listed nothing but factual evidence in my description. You probably think "Paranoid Android" is some heavy shit or something.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate I'm not sure if you think you're masking bullshit American "anti-British" attitudes as discussions of music or not, but if you are you really need to wake up and take a good look at yourself.

Because if anyone, who had never been outside their own country, presumably, was talking about other countries in a hugely generalised manner and throwing out bilious and random criticisms aimed at people from that country on threads where a great deal of the posters are not in fact British, well then that person would be a fucking insular prejudiced idiot at a time when those idiots are running the world.

I'm sure you're not doing this though are you

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish the lyrics were better, but I really like this album. The hooks are huge and it's sort of relentless and fun. Apparently there's a Mylo remix of "Somebody Told Me" that just came out that's good?

― Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Radiohead is poo.

More about the video; it's poorly spaced and under casted, badly shot esp. considering it's Moulin Rouged out; to make things worse, what's-his-name the lead singer can't even pretend to mime the words like he gives a flying fuck -- and it's one thing to be young and bored, but you're trying to sell the song...

― Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

dude he is sooooo not pretending to be bored! he even shakes his body and flips his arms around "voila!"-style! and how can a video be under casted if its got Eric Roberts, some dancing lothario, tons of courtesans AND what appears to be a second-long shot of Scarlett Johnannsen dressed like a man!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

what did you want, Corey Feldman dressed as a pirate too?

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

MULTIPLE SHOTS OF ERIC ROBERTS THROWING AN APPLE! YOU ARE BLIND.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh I just watched the video and it's okay on a certain level but really it should have been set in a really nasty goth club.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sure you're not doing this though are you

Sarcasm aside, no I'm not doing that. I'm just sick of the predictable "done before and better feh poo blah" attitude that permeates Every. Single. Thread. about any nu-rock band that commits the unpardonable sin of, you know, using guitars. I'm also sick of the sweeping condemnation of said bands sucking for no discernible reason than these people care to explain other than "they exist" and "it was done better by some band nobody cares about anymore". And I'm sick of the "hipster" strawman being delivered by people more provincial and snobbish than any hipster I've ever met.

If it makes you feel better, Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous is my favorite late '70s rock album right now. Feel that voib, whydon't'cha.

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(It also bears mentioning that my username comes from a Patton Oswalt bit about how America invades countries and ruins everything, sort of like a retarded trust fund child: "This country's nice, can we have Disneyworld?" "This is Paris-" "DISNEYWORLD!" "All right, all right, fine... please, don't blow us up." "What's this country, Biblevania?" "Israel." "I WANT A WATERSLIDE!")

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

So, in conclusion, I am not Bush, I did not vote for Bush, and I in no way whatsoever even remotely resemble Bush. I just find it funny that some people (British or otherwise) have this kneejerk thing: "THE NME LIKES THEM! OUT COME THE BASEBALL BATS!" (See, I used an American weapon there.)

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you teeny, I appreciate that.

Also, who wants to see Scarlett Johanssen dressed as a man?

― Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not really sure it was her. She looked like she was playing Oscar Wilde.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"I wish the lyrics were better"

The lyrics are bizarro.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Anglo-yank wars aside, THEY SOUND -- SPEAKING OBJECTIVELY -- LIKE SHED SEVEN.

― Baxter, friend to bears, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The Killers next single should be "She Left Me On Friday".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

it's actually going to be 'This Is How It Feels'

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

My g/f had a somewhat Kate-esque reaction to the singer: skinny British foppish indie b0yz0rz yay. The shoe's on t'other foot now!

― Miles Finch, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I find it bewildering how the Killers' Hot Fuss can mix excitement and brilliance with dullness and naffness in equal measure - there doesn't seem to be an overall feel to the album at all which I can detect. When the initial song "Jenny Was A Friend of Mine" (which I think is the best track on the album incidentally) started I thought "Hmm, early Duran Duran copyists" coz it is startling how good a Le Bon impression Brandon Flowers does on this song! The instrumentation is cool too...there's a lot going on there, it's a good song to listen to for seeing how many layers one can detect.

But, on the other hand, we have the absolutely dreadful track "Glamorous Indie Rock and Roll"...at least it does exactly what it says on the tin - the song is every bit as dire as the title would suggest! It is songs like that where I fear for the bands' future - will they sound exactly like the Stereophonics on the second album? The likes of "Glamorous Indie Rock and Roll" make me tremble at the possibility.

― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 15 January 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I just find it funny that some people (British or otherwise) have this kneejerk thing: "THE NME LIKES THEM! OUT COME THE BASEBALL BATS!" (See, I used an American weapon there.)

You should have been culturally sensitive and said "Out come the teapots, wot wot!"

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 15 January 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

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