METAL for ART-metallers

really not keen on it
must 've posted this in my sleep years ago.

that double bass drums thing. that's kind of like a baby's rattle, isn't it?

erm...
necrophagist.
they're fun !
benighted leams.
necrofrost.
necronomitron.
velvet cacoon.
i dunno it's all panto to me
i am now listening to aavikko in preference over music of such monolithic gravitas >ahem< and so should you.

Anyone heard this?

Citay, *Citay* Indie types (with a connection to {and maybe guys from?} the useless Fucking Champs, I believe) claim to be inspired by pastoral rennaisance faire parts on the first couple Heart LPs and the pretty intros to Metallica songs (and Led Zep, duh.) I for sure hear the guitar player (Ezra Feinberg - was he a Fucking Champ?) trying. But Heart and Zep and Metallica turned the rennaisance tapestries into rock; Citay turn it into chamber-group shoegaze music with a weedy indie non-singer. No surprise since Fucking Champs were basically just a loud version of Tortoise. (I never understood why anybody who liked metal would like them. I guess the idea was that if you learn some Iron Maiden or Queen guitar riffs and randomly string them together you don't need to have any songs. But you do.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), February 9th, 2006.
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(Much of the Citay CD thing is instrumental, which is better than when the guy sings. Who knows, maybe guitar players would be less bored with it than I am. Maybe they'd be less bored with Fucking Champs, too.) (Actually, I have two guitarist friends who *like* that band, come to think of it. To me they just seem completely cold, clinical, and pointless.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), February 9th, 2006.

>Esoteric are about as psych as metal gets.<

seeing how heavy metal basically was a subset of psychedelic music in the first place.

I didn't really get into music until I was 18 and i started with Nirvana,Stones, Sex Pistols, Janes Addiction,Soundgarden etc and my mates gave me some metallica, pixies,anthrax,sabbath,Maiden , dead kennedys,Husker Du,Celtic Frost so I was never just into the one sort of music that so many people are like at that age.
But because i didnt like Slayer or Anthrax they didnt consider me a metaller, especially as i ended up listening to lots of indie and dance music.
And god knows what they would think now.

Ha, I STILL don't like Slayer and Anthrax much. (I mean, they're both okay, I guess. I have nothing against them. But I can't remotely imagine *choosing* to listen to either of them.)

...are their intellectual property. Anyway, there was an article in one of the Times' a week or so ago about the phenomenon of clueless scientists who spend part of their careers or the Ph.D. theses of their grad students duplicating research that was done decades earlier. They labor intently thinking they've come into a real "Eureka" moment. Then someone sees it, informs them it was published in some other journal twenty years ago, they get all bummed out and go into shock. With pop music, instead of being a subject of embarrassment and personal chagrin, it goes into the New York Times arts section as unique newness.

I suppose theres plenty who dismiss metal because simply they've never heard any metal bar the odd thing that hits the charts.
But i'd hope people will investigate further than Limp Bizkit or whoever.

I'm sure classic rock once had Abba on their cover.

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Viikate/100_greatest_hard_rock_albums__classic_rock_and_metal_hammer/

I do think some of the stonehenge stuff that was mentioned can fall into the category, however.

When I think "Art Metal," I think of Celtic Frost's Into The Pandemonium, most all of Voivod's stuff from Killing Technology onwards, The God Machine, Course Of Empire, Sigh, and I hear elements of it in Tool/A Perfect Circle and Jane's Addiction. Oh, and Killing Joke for sure. I probably need to include Opeth these days (even though I do not like them at all) and a lot of the new stuff on The End Records certainly qualifies.

Also coming to mind are the loud guitarists camp such as Casper Brotzmann Massacre and Helios Creed.

No, Bltfzpk and Satan's Penguins are the real alpha and omega.

James