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BBC Food's a really handy cooking resource.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I second the Good Housekeeping cookbook.

In addition these are the ones I use most often.

Gary Rhodes New British Classics
Prue Leith Cookery Bible
Debra Mayhew The Soup Bible
Martha Lomask The American Cookbook
Anna Thomas The Vegetarian Epicure

Nearly bought a 1912 copy of Escoffier's cookbook at a book fair last weekend but was a little out my price range.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I tend to read cookbooks for inspiration though. I dont follow recepies for anything except exacting stuff like baked goods (bread, cakes etc).

Trayce is OTM here. I have a ridiculous pile of cookbooks, including many listed upthread such as Hugh F-W's books, Slater, European Peasant Cooking, Prue Leith, Tamasin Day-Lewis, Mary Berry - even Larousse, which I'd argue is actually probably most useful for the butchery diagrams. Despite all this, however, the book I actually refer to most is Modern Practical Cookery which my Gran got with a new cooker just after the war. It's the only one I look at when I need to know how to do something specific.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcella Hazan - Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking is a great one!

pauls00 (pauls00), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I've written about this but I don't know where. I don't generally like cookbooks. I've read a couple hundred, own less than ten -- though there are four or five others I'll eventually pick up, plus the good subset of the ones I don't know about yet.

Good reference: Bittman (I've heard a lot of complaints about his non-Everything books, but they might be mostly "it's not as good as the other one" complaints), Nigella Lawson's How to Eat, The Joy of Cooking, any of the Betty Crocker/Better Home and Gardens type books that are handy when you can't remember how many minutes per pound to cook a top round roast or what temperature to put a yellow cake in at. Rosengarten's Dean & Deluca cookbook is a surprisingly good general book, too, and one of the ones I gave to my ex instead of a used bookstore. I'm sure it's remaindered somewhere.

Anything by Damon Fowler or Edna Lewis is good. I use Fergus Henderson's Nose to Tail a lot but most won't. Marcella for Italian, Madhur Jaffrey for Indian. Bill Smith's Seasoned in the South is worth it just for the corned ham, and as much as I hate everything about "food porn," his honeysuckle sorbet recipe is the best example of it I've read.

Destroy most books by celebrity restaurant owners, for a million reasons -- the recipes often aren't intended to be used, the chef often doesn't have much involvement with it, it's a window shopping book. Thomas Keller and Mario Batali are notable exceptions, though the only people I know who cook from the French Laundry Cookbook are people who own lab-grade water baths to do sous vide at home.

Read eGullet.org, blogs, menus, and the restaurant reviews in Food & Wine. Mario and Giada's shows are pretty good, and Paula Dean's can be -- the benefit to food TV is that if it's shot right, you know what it's supposed to look like. Steingarten's books of essays are good if you skip everything that smacks at all of science, which he's absolutely shitty at -- there's no instruction there, but knowing how to eat informs knowing how to cook. Bourdain's A Cook's Tour, likewise.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Cooking Light's website, and for the most part, their magazine although I wish they'd cram their women's lifestyle tips up their asses and just stick with the recipes. I'm really not interested in eye cream recommendations from a cooking magazine.

My favorite cook books are the Joy of Cooking, Cook's Illustrated The Best New Recipes, and Edna Lewis's The Taste of Country Cooking. I had a Moosewood cookbook that I liked a lot but I can't find it and I can't remember which one.

xpost - Ha! We have the French Laundry Cookbook and have never used it.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcella Hazan - Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking is a great one!

Yeah, Stripey lent this and Laurel's Kitchen to me as well. I haven't used them yet as much as Bittman but what I've checked out is really great.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed, I like this Indian-style "fried" chicken recipe, even though it's made in the oven (I s'ppose you could actually fry it instead). Rilly good.

Bittman is king; Slater's latest (Kitchen Diaries) is fantastic. I just got Rick Stein's new seafood book--it looks fantastic as a guide to buying and preparing fish (extensive info on fish families, tons of pictures, tons of techniques), but I'm not sold on the recipes yet, which have the drawback of having no introductory text at all (I know it's silly, but I like it when a cookbook writer tells me shit like, "this is the best dish ever! Make it!").

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Ruhlman's Charcuterie is good if you

a) incline towards the baking/confectionery/chemistry approach to cooking;

b) have a variety of airy places in your home, of varying temperatures, where your spouse and pets won't interfere with meat hanging around;

c) like meat.

Me, I cure meat a lot, but I don't make sausage, I'm not about to try hot dogs -- to make a hot dog you need approximate temperature control during grinding, or it won't emulsify, and I'm just not that guy -- and I'm down with just making homemade corned beef, pastrami, bacon, lamb ham. You know. But it's a really good book if you're up for that whole trip.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Ed, just asked Pearline (who says her sis' Shacklewell Lane take away, Finger Lickin', is now open following its refurb) and she says this is what you should do:

"Mix two teaspoons of spicy paprika with each half-cup of flour you're using, and then some pepper. Whisk an egg RIGHT up to dip your chicken in. If you are mad at anyone, take it out on the chicken. Make sure your chicken pieces are perfectly dry, then stab them over and over again with a fork before dipping them in the egg wash and then the paprika flour. Deep fry them until they're golden and then let them sit awhile in a 200C oven - that lets most of the oil run off the chicken."

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Which edition of Joy of Cooking? I have the one from 1997, and I don't like it. They got rid of the instructions on how to skin and prepare squirrel!

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

doesn't proper fried chjicken need a good bath in buttermilk? I'm sure there's a good eats on makling perfect fried chicken, In fact I've got it somewhere...

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Argue with the Jamaican lady, not me!

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Tons of ways to make proper fried chicken, to put it mildly, even in the South. Mine usually sits overnight in undiluted Louisiana-brand hot sauce.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

True. Having tasted Pearline's goat curry, I'm pretty sure of her ability to cook a good ANYTHING in the Jamaican/soul food category.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Who is Pearline and does she deliver to Jersey City?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Pearline is a nice Jamaican lady who lives in London, and thus does not deliver to NJ. Truly sorry about that.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Tep did you ever post your Christmas cookbook PDF from a few years ago anywhere? I've lost it and I would love to have it again.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(I made your famous vinegar chicken SEVERAL times to great acclaim, which I gathered as my own, naturally.)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oi. Hand.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I know, but what was I supposed to say?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh hrm. I don't have the password to that ftp directory anymore, so I'm not sure what the direct link is! I don't actually even have a PDF copy myself, just the hard copy -- but if anyone has it, they're welcome to upload it to sendspace or what have you.

What I do have is the 2004 one, formatted for an odd page size -- I don't think it's quite as good (typical sophomore syndrome, I had to cull just from stuff I'd done that year), but it's something.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0y6a5c

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha I bet it is. Thank you!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Stuff in there -- talky crap, chicken, sandwich, sloppy joes, vaca frita, other sandwich, other sandwich, chili, potato salad, pie, chicken basil dirty rice, dak galbi, platonic fish, lamb, Burmese chicken, sancocho, manchamantel, pie, blondies, other pie, blueberry truffles, fruitcake, and a promise to make the best lobster roll ever. Which I think I wound up doing, at least within my constraints (had to be recognizably a lobster roll without a bunch of odd ingredients): smoked lobster, warm, with a little mayo and hot sauce.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

C'est tout que j'aime!*

*(c) McDonald's France; means either "It's everything that I love!" or, more sinisterly, "It's all that I love!"

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for re-upping that file, Tep -- I had lost it too.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I tend to drift toward "technique"-focused books. Julia Child's "The Way to Cook" (tasty stuff), James Peterson's "Essentials of Cooking" (sort of like an illustrated Bittman - takes nothing for granted), and most recently, been wrestling with Madeleine Kamman's gargantuan "The New Making of a Cook: The Art, Techniques, and Science of Good Cooking". It's like a whole culinary university sitting in your lap. I almost want to build a whole room around this book, it's that solid.

I also love Hazan's "Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking" esp. that pasta with a sauce of sausage w/ red & yellow peppers.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I have this prejudice against Italian cooking, which is basically that it's all more or less the same, pasta and tomato or cream sauces. Tell me how I'm wrong.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

You are very very wrong. Cream sauces aren't much of a feature in italian cooking and pasta is only meant to be the second course (know as a primo piatto but go figure) but many Italians would feel hard done by if the their primo piatto did not contain pasta or rice (or polenta in the north). italian cookery is very varied but very conservative and it is, first and foremost home cooking.

Take this lovely Braised beef redcipe:

Brasato alla Barolo

1kg Topside, Brisket or similar
oil
butter
25g Proscuitto fat or lardo, chopped
pinch of coccoa powder
a teaspoon of rum

For the marinade

1 bottle of barolo
2 carrots sliced
2 onions
1 celery stalk
4 fresh sage leaves
1 small fresh rosemary sprig
1 bay leaf
10 black peppercorns
salt

Tie up the meat and leave in the marinade for 6 or 7 hours. Drain the meat keeping the marinade. In a hevay bottomed pan heat the fats and add the meat and brown over a high heat. Pour in the marinade, deglaze the pan and cook over a low heat for 1 and a half hours. Discard the herbs, blend the stock vegetables into the sauce and add the cocoa and rum. Pour the sauce over the meat and serve.

I'd use grappa or brandy in place of the rum as I hate rum and don't hacve it in the house.

As a vegetable course with that I'd have porcini, Cavolini (brussel sprouts), Cavolo Verza alla Cappucina (savoy Cabbage) or Finocchi alla diavola (Fennel)

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

A really good italian home cookbook is Antonio Carluccio's first (AFAIK): An Introduction to Italian cooking. Full of helpful advice as where you can skimp on the quality of ingredients and where you can't. A really decent manual in a way that his later (post opening a chain of Delis) books aren't.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:07 (seventeen years ago) link

For the pleasure of reading: Jane Grigson, Simon Hopkinson, Elizabeth David, MFK Fisher - that last one especially: her prose is like Nabokov, but most of her recipes sound unpleasant, or not worth the bother. Also Nigella Lawson's How to Eat.

Nigel Slater I used to love: his early books were geared towards making the best from things you could pick up easily from the shops on the way home from work, & he changed the way I thought about food. These days it's for well-off childless people who live within easy reach of Borough Market.

Also his prose style makes me feel queasy, he is irritatingly twee & there is a disingenuousness that gets on my nerves - "the blushing aubergines that found their way into my shopping bag etc".

And I have found that I have sometimes almost to double his cooking times, especially for meat: I like rare beef & lamb, but not chicken & pork.

bham (bham), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah italian cooking is totally about more than just pasta. My ex's italian family used to serve up the most MASSIVE weekend dinners, and they usually went a little like this:

first course: lentil soup with garlic
Second (or sometimes first instead): pasta of some kind. Usually fresh pasta such as strozzapreti, with a wonderful slowcooked ragu, or maybe just plain fresh spaghetti tossed with fried breadcrumbs and garlic/chilli
main course: veal scallopine, or involtinis, or chicken fillets, something along those lines - with hot chips and peas simmered in tons of onions
afters: figs and chest-hair-making espressos. Max's dad would always have a shot of brandy in his.

I would always be BURSTING after sunday dinners at theirs. God. I dont know how people can eat like that more than once or twice a week without DYING.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, I wish I was Italian - one of my best friends has a family like that and he's always telling me about the meals they eat. I know his cousin too, and every time they get together his cousin says "So what did you make lately?" They claim to even mark dates by what they ate "Oh, that was the time Uncle Paulie made the stuffed artichokes," etc.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought How to Cook Everything last night because of this thread.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Hooray!

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone tried the more recent Bittman book? The one with recipes of the world?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The easiest way to persuade yourself that Italian food is more varied than Italian-American food, and especially checkered-tablecloth Italian-American restaurant food (which I'm not condemning), would have you believe, is to remind yourself of the thousand years of post-empire, pre-tomato cuisine over there. No one was hanging out waiting for tomatoes to arrive, or grumbling that fennel didn't make a good substitute for them. Cream was pretty scarce for most of that time, too, if you didn't raise your own cow. And the dominance of pasta in the American conception of the cuisine is only because putting Italian food into American restaurants turned pasta into an entree, an especially practical one.

Plus, the Anglo-American bland-favoring influence here discouraged the popularity of spiky Italian flavors like you get from pickled things, brined or salt-preserved things, strong oily fish, olives.

That vinegar chicken Mr Hand mentioned, that's an Italian recipe and the probable precursor to Buffalo wings. Spicy, vinegary, messy, not an herb in sight, nothing we think of as Italian.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The romans bequeathed a love of salted anchovies and salted anchovy sauces on both the Italians and the English. It's a really distinctive note in a lot of Italian cooking.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

in puglia - southern italy - it has apparently not rained in a consistent fashion since the 15th century ... no rain = no cows = no milk/no beef/no CHEESE... (which doesn't stop most puglian restaurants from servin up heaping helpings of buffalo mozzarella etc. but it is not particularly indigenous there); their main native food seemed to consist of chick peas, olives of course, oats and bread, delicious bitter wild onions whose name i forget but which they pickle and make pate out of among other things, pork, lamb, arugula, lemons/limes/oranges, grapes, etc, as well as those cacti which grow everywhere, the ones that are like congeries of large flat paddles with small polyps attached (the latter of which may be peeled and eaten)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr Hand, what would you and your good lady like to eat next thursday; shall I take the plunge and do fried chicken, biscuits mash and gravy or something a little more refined like that brasato?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 19 October 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

For a very long time, I refused to buy cookery books. I read them, learned techniques from them, then went away and experimented by making up my own versions of recipes which caught my fancy. It was almost a (ridiculous) kind of snobbery, that I would tell people that I didn't actually own a cookery book. Partly my lack of book ownership was to do with me travelling the world a lot during my early twenties, and it being impractical to cart too much stuff around eith me, but it was also partly as though not owning a cookery book made me appear to be some kind of wizard in the kitchen, or something. Silly.

On returning the the UK to live, I went to work for Raymond Blanc at his Manoir aux Quat'Saisons - not as a chef, but as his PR person. He and I used to spend Mondays together in the kitchens, with him trying out new dishes and me running around behind him taking notes and turning them into proper recipes. I learned so much from him, and he is still my favourite chef by far. I almost always use one of his recipes (either from one of his books, or more usually one of his unpublished recipes from his private collection) when cooking for smart dinner parties - his food is infallibly good.

I developed an interest in collecting cookery books of all descriptions as a result of all that, and now have lots. Hundreds probably, from Escoffier to the BBC Masterchef recipes, via Marco Pierre White, Delia, Nigella, and everyone else in between.

For everyday family cooking, if I run short of ideas, I don't think you can go wrong with the cheap'n'cheerful Australian Women's Weekly range of cookbooks ... they're only about a fiver each, they're beautifully laid out with mouthwateringly pretty photographs, and some interesting meal ideas. I like them a lot.

I trawl the BBC Food website for ideas, too. It's often my starting-point over a cup of coffee on a Friday morning when planning the following week's family menu and shopping list. My word, my life's exciting :)

C J (C J), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I went to work for Raymond Blanc at his Manoir aux Quat'Saisons

My gf ate there and absolutely loved it. Shestill raves about it and dreams of going there for one of there cooking seminars.

As to what Tep says about Italian cooking, see Big Night about the perils of introducing la cucina italiana into America. There isn't any more an Italian cuisine than there is a solitary French or Chinese or American one. Pasta with sauce is usually the primo of several courses. A typical traditional (though not in all regions) meal looks liie this:

L'antipasto - Appetizers
Il primo A hot dish like pasta, risotto, gnocchi, polenta or soup.
Il secondo Meat, fish, or game, usually.
Il contorno Salad or hot or cold vegetables. When I lived in Italy I acquired a taste for simple contorni like spinach or broccoli or rabe served cold with salt, lemon and olive oil.
Il dolce Dessert
Il caffè Coffee
Digestives or liquers such as grappa, limoncello, amaro, fernet, etc...

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, I've got a 6oz organic sirloin, a big pot of left-over rice, a couple of eggs and a shiny new (cleaned) wok. Aside from soy sauce, can I just add any kind of seasonings I want (cilantro, thyme, etc.) and have them impart flavor? Should I throw in some salt and pepper?

I'm trying to remember how the rice was done last time I went to a Japanese steakhouse...

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

tracer, all those combinations of food sound very tasty. but yes, i guess it is that i'm used to italian-american spaghetti restaurant type food.

also today i got the tassajara cookbook! i am sad that most of the tasty main dish recipes have tomatoes or mushrooms, which are both forbidden in my house...maybe i'll cook them if the allergic people are out sometime. the other types of recipes generally look good.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

M., are the secondi and contorni usually served as separate courses? I think I would enjoy them much more if they were served at the same time, to allow them to play with and against each other. But then again I always made fun of friends who always ate one dish on their plate, then the next, etc.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

They often are served together, Rock, like how, in old-timey high-falutin' restaurants (at least those here in S.F.) you order a steak, say, and you have to order your boiled potatoes, or creamed spinach, or french fries separately.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

But then again I always made fun of friends who always ate one dish on their plate, then the next, etc.

Laugh at me then. I love multi-course meals and I never understand people who go to a party and get, say, lasagna all over their salad and vinagrette all over their lasagna. Just eat one and get some of the other later and if you're worried that there isn't enough, then the hosts haven't made enough food.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha! Je ris! Le lait sort de mon nez!

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Damned Frenchmen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha! Je ris! Le lait sort de mon nez!

Does this mean "I laugh! The milk shoots from my nose"?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link


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