I still get frustrated that they're using the same combinations of chord changes, melodies, arrangements. As with the previous two albums, every single song has brittle, arpeggiated guitar from start to finish (I realise this is their signature sound, but they used to apply more varied textures – Coming Up, for example, only has four songs built around this kind of guitar line). Even some fucking strummed acoustic guitar would sound novel and exploratory in the context of their current work.
BUT I still really love this new record! There's rarely a hint of spontaneity or accident anywhere, but it's till so much more alive than the last couple. And within the parameters they don't move much beyond, these are excellent songs. In particular, Wastelands, Mistress, Cold Hands, Life Is Golden, All The Wild Places... but there is no dud. It's 50 minutes of highly comforting pleasure.
― Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 22 September 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
yeah when i said this was a step down from Night Thoughts I was kind of wrong....this is growing on me with every listen. I think Brett and the gang probably need their comfort zone to turn out stuff this consistently good even when Suede are no longer the coolest thing going
― imago, Saturday, 22 September 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link
Their best since Scary Monsters
Seriously, easily the best since Coming Up. Proper pretentious mess, thank god.
― nikola, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
Probably the best since DMS
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
Coming Up is great though
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
I hadn't heard Coming Up until a couple of days ago! Having given it several listens I think I prefer the last two to it, although it's still good
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link
No ruinous Beautiful Ones to stink the place up with reheated Oasis on the new records
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
Whaaaaat o_O
"We're tra-ha-hash, you and me"
Maybe you had to be there :)
xp
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
From what I can tell they didn't release any b-sides from Night Thoughts singles, and nothing so far from Blue Hour aside from the 7" bonus track in the deluxe package, is that right?
― early rejecter, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
xp yeah Trash is a great song
― niels, Thursday, 27 September 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
'By The Sea', 'Picnic by the Motorway' and 'Saturday Night' would all be on a 15 track best of of mine
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
I think this is a good album.
― akm, Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
Picnic By The Motorway is my favourite thing on Coming Up and would probably make my own Suede compilation.
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
Really? It's only the second longest track on there! ;)
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
The longest track is kind of a disappointing dirge tbh
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
It is.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
I also listened to their 'bad albums' today. Actually, Head Music was more obviously a 'bad album' than A New Morning - the latter was much more cohesive and minding of its own business - but I guess the former had more personality. Neither were particularly great or bad, but they certainly lacked spark
― imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
A New Morning has a lovely sound to it, shame they couldn't have hooked up with Stephen Street earlier. The problem I have is it feels like the songs are going through the motions for the most part, Suede without the drama. It's a bit like when Pulp dropped all the sleaze and darkness on their final album, losing a lot of what made them appealing in the first place.
Brett's singing is really good on it, compared to now. I don't know what's happened to his voice more recently but I find it a bit uncomfortable to listen to it, like he's straining for something he can't quite reach anymore.
I think Head Music was a credible attempt to reinvent the band that didn't quite come off for a few reasons(Brett's smack habit and Neil's illness can't have helped). It has it's moments.
― Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Thursday, 27 September 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
I like this new one, though on first listen it sort of sounds like the second side of an album.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
http://thequietus.com/articles/25392-suede-interview-the-blue-hour
― willem, Monday, 1 October 2018 12:31 (five years ago) link
good stuff doran
― imago, Monday, 1 October 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
yeah good interview, and the record sounds really interesting too
their new sound is not really for me but would love to see a live show
― niels, Monday, 1 October 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
I'm trying to listen to it following all the raving reviews I have read/heard lately.A few songs in, I still don't like the sound and arrangements (otm Eyeball Kicks !) but a few songs seem OK.I have a very hard time understanding how it could be considered one of their best after DMS, though.It seems to lack substance.And Brett's singing on the opening track is simply cringy !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
yeah DMS and debut clearly in a league of their own, Coming Up v different but almost great, the rest nowhere near
imo
― niels, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link
Obviously the first two albums are a notch above but I really think this is the best one since then - both of those things can be true!
― imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I was talking about the many comments I read (not here, I think) saying it is their best after, not since, DMS !(btw, my favourite is not DMS but the first one)
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
Agreed - the first album is not just my favourite Suede album but one of my favourite albums period
― imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
coming up is great & Beautiful Ones is one of their best, anti Coming Up fans confuse the hell out of me
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
The most baffling thing to me is why Brett keeps mentioning in interviews him digging up a dead bird to show his young son, as if that's a good idea
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:41 (five years ago) link
idk the decay of life is a p metal thing to teach your kids
― imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
The kid will end up with a heavy metal stutter then
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
Yeah that digging up a dead bird to show his young son the skeleton/corpse is... heavy.That’s his goth/dark side (or star), I guess.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
Btw I’ve listened to the whole album and... really don’t understand the hype.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link
Second volume of Anderson memoirs forthcoming:
https://www.thebookseller.com/news/suedes-brett-anderson-pens-sequel-memoir-871436
― Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Friday, 5 October 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link
woo ! I didn't care at all for the first volume but I'm quite curious about this one !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 5 October 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
I still haven't heard the new album, but the first four and a couple others -- woof.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 02:27 (five years ago) link
Boy, was this thing hyped, even on these shorts.
Was wondering if this was a typo. Still wondering.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
Ahah
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 07:23 (five years ago) link
the style of a woman, the kiss of a man
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:23 (five years ago) link
I absolutely love the S/T but have never managed to enjoy any of their subsequent albums despite my habitual preference for more progressive and dramatic stylings.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:47 (five years ago) link
coming up is my fave cuz "trash" is so perfect any random nine songs could follow and still resonate
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 12:30 (five years ago) link
haha, I like that take
― niels, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 12:40 (five years ago) link
Coming Up definitely shares a certain immediacy with the debut. I should revisit Head Music (which was better than I remembered the last I listened) and New Morning (which ... was not?). And also the Tears album, which I always forget is out there. My go-tos remain Dog Man Star and Night Thoughts, with the debut not far behind.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link
the year it came out I could not stop freaking out about its greatness and it can still reach me at the "this song is specifically for a version of me who once existed" level
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
I've never been that much of a huge Suede fan but I dyed my hair black because of Trash
― kraudive, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
this year, everyone will become a huge Suede fan
― imago, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
XpostYeah the Tears album is my 3rd favourite « Suede » album !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
I've been listening again to their old albums due to this thread and that made me think that there was something special that made me love their debut (and to a lesser extent, "DMS"), besides the fact that I adored Butler as teenager learning to play the guitar, but I never really thought about what it was. There was something mysterious and different to their songs and sound, especially on the first album and its singles/bsides.OK there's all the glam, bowie, smiths etc but I always thought there was something else that these obvious references didn't have.It's sensual, dark, impressionist, violently romantic...And lately I realized that their music of that time reminded me of french late 19th/early 20th century classical. Especially Debussy (and Ravel too).Listening to the debut a lot lately, I found out there is something in the structure, arrangements and melodies of many songs that evoke that musical approach.For instance "She's not dead" could almost be a Debussy song (same with "Black and Blue").And to me, the whole debut has that atmosphere that makes it so different from all the other british bands referenced (and their own albums after "DMS").On "DMS", there are many touches that remind this too : "We are the pigs", with the blaring horns that announce the Ravelesque arrangements of "Still life" (especially the "Bolero" final).There's "Black or Blue" as mentioned, which is not even pop music, to me (and it's quite impressive - or crazy, to release that in the middle of Britpop mania !).That said, "DMS" has less of that early 20th french classical elegance and sensual charm than the debut. It's more a rock album. That might be the reason why the debut had such a special and strong impact on me (and still has, everytime I go back to it).
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 11 October 2018 09:19 (five years ago) link
someone else also really liked Trashhttps://youtu.be/4Z9mvUCL-5U
― kinder, Thursday, 11 October 2018 09:30 (five years ago) link
That's a rip-off, no doubt, but a bloody good one.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 11 October 2018 10:31 (five years ago) link