LF: I’ll have to wait and see how the reissues go as I need funds to do more, but I certainly hope so– now or anywhere in the future. Guy knows that I’d have a stroke if he ever wrote a new TWR song and/or if he formed a new band of any kind. (He briefly had a bluegrass band with Roger and I drove up to SF alone the instant that I heard they were playing!) My most fervent dream in life is that Guy will return to music, but mostly I want him to be happy in life whether it includes writing or playing music. It’s just that I’d like for Guy and Roger to finally get their due, something Guy could care less about, I’m sure!This part from lisa fancher made me cry!It remains a life ambition of mine to shake guy’s hand. <3I did NOT know he played with a thumb pick! All throughout twr or just later on when the c&w vibe got stronger?I would really like fancher to write something long about twr again- her liner notes for the When Worlds Collide comp were so great. Awesome detail that the lyrics for RS came from a solo wilderness wander to get his head straight Also the clown song is just such a brilliant piece of writing
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:55 (five years ago) link
Watch live TWR videos and you'll see he plays the guitar with thumb pick. Hand posed like a bluegrass banjo player. Guitar tuned to open G, I'd bet
― Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:57 (five years ago) link
I remember the Melody Maker review pictured in that article. They were huge TWR fans
I also remember an earlier feature by Everett True, where he ends up joining the chorus at the end of The Fish Song. FISH!!!!
― Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:58 (five years ago) link
FISH!!!
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:00 (five years ago) link
I think he is credited on the LP
― Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:02 (five years ago) link
I think the only in depth twr article I remember from the original time was the mondo 2000 interview (which was a really good one). There were always reviews of course. It was a particularity savory review of Moonhead in OPtion magazine that started me.
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:03 (five years ago) link
Mondo 2000 interview: the one that was posted in this very thread on Wednesday, 10 July 2013 ?
― StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
I know that Bucketful of Brains have a cover photo of them in Russia. Not sure what the story accompanying it says.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 22 September 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah that’s the mondo interview upthread. Unforgettable
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
bucketfull of brains cover photo & one page from the interview:
https://www.amazon.com/Bucketfull-Magazine-Sneetches-Holsapple-Plasticland/dp/B00950M1EE
scanned page: https://img.cdandlp.com/2018/01/imgL/119033806.jpg
― StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Interesting how that BoB writer is well aware of the significance of A Can of Bees era Soft Boys and especially “The Pigworker” (especially live!) in this lineage of crushingly glorious twin guitar rock
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 23 September 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Russia cover photo apparently ties in with the cover mounted single. I can't find a story on the band in the issue. Just found it beside my bedm saw back cover advert for Dave Graney's my life in th plains and thought it might be that issue. Says there are stories in numbers 11; 13 and 25. Russia cover is 33.
― Stevolende, Monday, 24 September 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link
https://frontierrecords-thinwhiterope.bandcamp.com/album/the-ruby-sea-2019-remastered-edition
― StanM, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:24 (five years ago) link
(out next week)
― StanM, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
it's out!
― StanM, Friday, 8 February 2019 08:52 (five years ago) link
Does anyone know if this was remastered in 2019? I've a sneaking feeling it's a reissue of a 2002 remaster
― Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
I mean this:
https://www.discogs.com/Thin-White-Rope-The-Ruby-Sea/release/5165366
― Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
Was that one remastered though? Discogs usually mentions that where it says "reissue"
The 2019 credit sheet contains "Remastering: Paul du Gré" just like all the other 2018/2019 versions but I don't know for sure about 2002.
― StanM, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
I'm thinking this because they seem to be selling that CD as well, as a 2018 product.
― Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
I have the 2002 "Exploring..." and it had that same "Remastered etc" sticker on the front
― Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
(I'm considering getting the CDs)
― Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
Update. I bought Moonhead. Amazon lists it as released in 2018. It looks like the CD on the Bandcamp page:
https://f4.bcbits.com/img/0012871653_10.jpg
And the barcode tells me its this:
https://www.discogs.com/Thin-White-Rope-Moonhead/release/12507123
― Duke, Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
Which is reassuring but also confusing as my Exploring the Axis had exactly the same sticker on the front but is apparently a 2002 reissue.
― Duke, Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
Exploring the Axis is a seriously fucking amazing record
― think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:01 (four years ago) link
Thin White Rope 1984-05-26 Samurai Sound Labs CA The Rational demos(9th in series)info source: Lineage: SBD tape (unknown gen) > Apple G4 > AIFF > FLACThe cassette states that these were recorded at Samurai Sound Labs CA on 1984-05-26.Anyway this set is ripped from a tape of demos given to Frontier Records and the copy I have is a low generation copy although there is some tape hiss it's still an excellent set.Total 1:01:101. The real west 2. Waking up 3. Moonhead 4. From home 5. Down in the desert 6. Munich Eunich * 7. Here she comes now ** Removed 8. And those fears 9. Not your fault 10. Disney girl 11. Three song 12. Atomic imagery 13. Dead granmas on a train 14. Eleven 15. Mother 16. Exploring the axis 17. Lithium
(9th in series)
info source: Lineage: SBD tape (unknown gen) > Apple G4 > AIFF > FLAC
The cassette states that these were recorded at Samurai Sound Labs CA on 1984-05-26.
Anyway this set is ripped from a tape of demos given to Frontier Records and the copy I have is a low generation copy although there is some tape hiss it's still an excellent set.
Total 1:01:10
1. The real west 2. Waking up 3. Moonhead 4. From home 5. Down in the desert 6. Munich Eunich * 7. Here she comes now ** Removed 8. And those fears 9. Not your fault 10. Disney girl 11. Three song 12. Atomic imagery 13. Dead granmas on a train 14. Eleven 15. Mother 16. Exploring the axis 17. Lithium
I wonder if these are the demos produced by Scott Miller that he mentioned in Music: What Happened?
― think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:06 (four years ago) link
(upon further research I'm thinking: duh, yeah, prolley is...)
― think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:09 (four years ago) link
The text file with that download contained this, that seems to suggest it prolley ain't:
"There's an article by Joe Becker from the band on their origin in which he makes reference to a several of the demos that the band recorded at this time. I don't *think* that these are the demos produced by Scott Miller (later of Game Theory and the Loud Family) because they date from 1983. Maybe they're the demos produced by Russ Tolman (from True West). Who knows?! They're great anyway.The cassette had obviously been copied a couple of times before it got to me and there a couple of minor wows and flutters on the tape but, if you're a fan of the Rope, that won't deter you none.
The article can be read at https://web.archive.org/web/20120301130712/http://www.davis80smusic.com/davis80smusic%20thin%20white%20rope%20joe%20becker.htm "
― StanM, Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:13 (four years ago) link
Oh they were called the "Rational demos" and Game Theory self-released their early stuff on "Rational Records"
― think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:45 (four years ago) link
ok, +1 point for the Scott Miller theory then after all :-)
― StanM, Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_eVB_c81w
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
― BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
I Think I was at that show.Definitely saw tehm at the venue and assume it would have been that year.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
would've been amazing to see them at the boardwalk, great venue! saw both the young gods and fugazi there in 89-ish, perfect sweat-infested box of sound
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
Thanks for the heads up!
― StanM, Thursday, 21 May 2020 11:42 (three years ago) link
https://frontierrecords-thinwhiterope.bandcamp.com/album/moonhead-the-ruby-sea-live-in-genttwo songs live at their final show but not included on The One That Got Away. NOTE: Live versions on vinyl only, downloads are studio versions.(I thought it was a remastered TOTGA but alas)
― StanM, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
oh c'mon that's dumb! Why can't I pay money to download the live versions? I'd love to complete that show! Grrr.
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
IKR :-(
― StanM, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
Here's a conversation with Roger Kunkel from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vuuq13Ytl8
― StanM, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link
um, this year. anyway
― StanM, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
Thank you! Just finished it. Any crumbs of insight or ephemera regarding TWR are like gold dust to me. And I never would have noticed this on my own. Any more important live recordings come to light in the last year or two?
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 22:06 (one year ago) link
I'm not in dime myself & aren't aware of anything. Anyone?In the interview above Roger mentions a 4 track recording of the 1988 Olive Pit show (where Guy only wears boots) that someone has and was willing to mix/master, though, I hope they release it.The "The one that got away" remaster that was hinted at one time probably isn't happening, I suppose?
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 00:23 (one year ago) link
Idk but it’s been awhile since the studio album ones so seems doubtful. I was a bit surprised when the hosts were talking about guy’s body of work and didn’t mention the Mummydogs album
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 May 2022 02:09 (one year ago) link
Roger wasn't in that band though.
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 09:02 (one year ago) link
XXP - Just had a scan on D1m3 and everything has fallen off the tracker, but I think we got all the good stuff.
― Maresn3st, Thursday, 26 May 2022 12:38 (one year ago) link
I know, there was just a “and then he withdrew except to play some bluegrass sometimes” thingMummydogs wasn’t nearly on TWR’s level of course so it’s not a huge lacuna Xpost thanks mares!
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 26 May 2022 12:40 (one year ago) link
yeah, thanks for checking, Maresn3st!
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link
yeah, went and checked what was on myself a few hours ago. only thing that appeared was a band called Wand and they had song title parts that triggered the search engine response.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 26 May 2022 13:03 (one year ago) link
Thank you too :-)
― StanM, Thursday, 26 May 2022 13:46 (one year ago) link
FYI for anyone interested in correct information on their recordings: this one "1988-04-02 - Goez Beest, Amsterdam, NL - Sbd" doesn't make sense.
venue = Podium 't Beestcity = Goes (and that is 120 km / 75 miles away from Amsterdam)
― StanM, Friday, 27 May 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link
Here's one I found that wasn't shared here last time around (have been looking for confirmation about the date (or if it's MM/DD or DD/MM?) but can't find that either) - it's one of the most impressive sounding ones yet imho. soundboard.
https://we.tl/t-M2QEIp9q5N
1990-11-09 RKCNDY, Seattle, WA
01. Wire Animals02. The Ruby Sea03. Astronomy04. Eleven05. Puppet Dog06. Some Velvet Morning07. Tina And Glen08. Triangle Song09. Elsie Crashed The Party10. Valley Of The Bones11. Munich Eunuch12. Ants Are Cavemen13. Fish Song14. Roadrunner15. Bartender's Rag16. Hunter's Moon17. Silver Machine
― StanM, Saturday, 28 May 2022 13:12 (one year ago) link