ILX running running thread

This year has been good despite (in NYC) a really cold winter and hot summer. Just hit 1,500 miles, so I'm on course for my goal of 2,000 for the year. Maybe 1/3 of my runs have been in other places since I travel quite a lot for work. A lot of 6am wakeups to run. Barely bother with afternoons or evenings anymore - but maybe should look back into it.

My running keeps getting slower and slower at the RPEs, same low running volume and general intensities - i think i’m now off about 20 secs/mile. Weight is the same. My cycling mileage has gone up, but my times there have gotten worse on climbing segments there, too.

I dont expect aging effects are linear or smooth, and i’m wondering if its just an aging downstep? Literally in the past two weeks i had my first noticed incident of reading difficulty at my normal range- i had to push page back a bunch of inches. I’m 51 so ive been the envy of most of my friends for years really, but fuck. Reading glasses are gonna happen before long i assume.

“same RPEs”

Change up your pace. Throw in some strides at the end of your run or surges during it. Run some fartleks.

Yeah, you need to vary up your training. Some long slow runs, some hills, intervals etc

I've been doing a half marathon up some steep hills once a week for the last couple of months and my 5K & 10K pace have improved considerably as a result.

Thx. I dont want to get faster (i dont love running) tho i know it is super likely if i would run a decent amount. without speed work, periodization, weight loss or anything. I run 2x3mi/wk. enough to keep my joints moving.

Its just my regular tempo pace on minimal runs has always been very predictable using either hr or rpe. And it is sliding.

What is rpe

rate of perceived exertion, its 80’s pre-hrm style of measuring zones where easy is 4-5, tempo is basically 6 thresh is 8ish and anaerobic 9+ or 10. Dunno if it was a cycling only thing but i never treated it suchly.

First ever trail half marathon tomorrow.

Looking forward to it although could do without the potential gale force winds forecast

yeah the forecast tomorrow looks a bit rough round here too - hope it's not too much of a mudfest for you all

hey groovypanda, how did it go?

Bit windy and one brief shower of hail but other wise not too bad.

Did it in 1:44 although little bit annoyed as apart from two very short hill sections, the entire race was run on the hard roads that criss-cross the forest and so trail shoes were entirely the wrong choice of footwear.

Came 3rd in my age group but fairly sure I'd have won it if I'd had road shoes on.

Still an enjoyable race though with some great views.

Ah that is annoying, but well done on your performance!

Cheers. Two more Halfs next month to look forward to.

You got anything on the horizon?

planning on doing the thames ring 250 again in june - did it two years ago and really enjoyed it. have managed a good amount of running over the last couple of months and feel like i could be in reasonable shape for it. have also promised my son that i'll do a 24hr mountain bike race around the same time though, so the main problem will be juggling the two lots of training without overdoing things.

Ha! 13.1 miles is plenty for me.

Have some mates doing the Race to the Stones this year but that pales in comparison to the Thames 250.

Good luck if you do enter

it'll be more of a staying awake contest than anything else tbh, running wise it's just a slow plod to infinity

im looking for a small (7L ish) running backpack for my commute, any recs?

camelbak maybe? the larger ones have a surprising amount of space for things that aren't water.

i have two osprey packs. mine are big for what you describe, they are a 10l and a 32l. i've used them with h20 for long-day rides and fast overnight rides, respectively. i do like how they do, they have a lot of expansion/compression zips and connects that are well-organized and balanced. most importantly have stood up to a lot of ruckus. i've not had to do any warranty support yet (which is it's own necessary excellence, and i've not really heard how they do with it).

they are distinct to what i have, but the duro and dyna running 6l running packs are likely good tho $$$, from my experiences.

wearing a backpack while running is hell

i don't really recommend it for anything unless you _have to do_.

by which i mean "running."

my kid has a camelback waistpack/bladder thing, it seemed weird but no worse than usual shoulderstrap setup. but i only did one fastish hike with it. i DEF don't wanna ride with that tho.

no specific recommendation but if you get the option, always go for one that has waist pockets that can be accessed without removing your pack so you’re able to get to your phone/keys/money easily. this is especially convenient if you’re an aging idiot like me who always goes through that whole routine of ‘oh have I got my wallet?’ five minutes after setting out the door each time

thanks peeps. i will look into a camelbak equivalent and maybe removing the water bag. its a short run so i dont think waist pockets will be a necessity tbh

wearing a backpack while running is hell

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 March 2019

yes but im kind of in a bind here re: wanting to not buy lunch every day

the duro and dyna running 6l running packs are likely good tho $$$, from my experiences.

― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 20 March 2019

this does look good and seems to get excellent reviews

ultimate direction packs are supposed to be good, iirc?

i’ve been told that snore so i have been examining a lot of sleep tools. i tried a ventilatory tool called snorepin. It’s just a plastic cone-like thing you ram up there with a little bridge under your septum.

i decided i wanted to try it on some runs. whoa!!! i dont think it increases performance/times at all, but i can run at threshold with my mouth closed. Running at tempo mouth closed is so easy and relaxing. psychologically it is incredible, a total stress reduction for me. i found it good on the bike, too, same effect. it is a bit grody at removal. i’ve never been advised of sinus problems/irregularities but maybe that’s my issue.

anyone else tried these kinda things?

do the snorepins work for snoring?

yeah i think i'm getting one of those

omg u guys know im pretty shadetree-engineering-nerdy, and im trying to cure snoring. missus is a v v light sleeper and i basically got evicted to the guest room which has become SLEEPLAB TM.

I’ll save it for another tedtalk but snorepins have slight if any effect esp compared to other things ime on snoring.

but they are amazing as fuck when i run for making things at least ~feel~ nicer,

i'd welcome a snoring thread tbh

Snoring

interesting. i've been really struggling to breathe for the last month when i've been out running due to hayfever inflaming my sinuses etc- wondering if those might make it better (more oxygen) or worse (more pollen)?

i don't have any allergies, so no insight there.

i can def imagine a superior material or shape to snorepins, and there's lots of stuff out there afaict, i'll advise if i end up find anything useful. i recall froome using somekind of dilator a few years ago in cycling, i figured they were something like breatheright strips which i had tried in like 1998 or some other long ago era and deemed worthless for me.

Think there's some science behind it. Some footballers wear them (or at least something similar). Always remember Robbie Fowler had one but perhaps that was just for coke.

Ok. Just Googled and found this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jun/10/comment

(I guess if Paula Radcliffe endorses them there must be some benefit)

Running going well at the moment too.

Got a 10K PB of 38:39 at the Newport 10K last month and have annoyingly equalled my parkrun PB of 18:44 twice in the last few weeks.

Did Colby parkrun on the weekend which was tough with gravel paths and various hills but a lovely setting if anyone's ever down Tenby way.

Two more 10Ks coming up next month and then back to half marathon training for the Autumn.

signed up for a half in November, so I'm ramping up to that real real slow

that's a great 10k time GP, don't think i'd be anywhere close to that these days. are you doing specific training sessions or is that just off the back of your parkruns?

Nothing specific. Parkrun on a Saturday and then 2 or 3 other runs during the week, usually between 12 and 20K.

There's a lot of hills where I live so I think most of it is just the gradual increase in power those have given me, coupled with the aerobic fitness to maintain a faster pace for longer over the shorter 5K/10K distances.

And I'm pretty sure I'd get nowhere near that time on a training run as there's always that extra 10% or so you get from race conditions/crowds.

it’s awesome to poke into running ilx ever once inna and see these goals and accomplishments. for me, bouncing around here, i’m all- “a 25 mi run!” *mind blown*, “a sub 39 10k!” *thats ridiculous fast* “a half marathon!” *inspirin*. Anyhow, carry on-

yeah, i'd be hard pressed to do a five mile run in under 50. But i'm tryin!

it's funny, one of the benefits for me of running is that after 3-4 months of training I invariably lose about ten pounds and consequently stop snoring!

(also congrats on that 10k time, GP... that's really great! is a parkrun a fixed distance?)

5k generally. they run hundreds every saturday morning

https://www.parkrun.org.uk/

Neat, that sounds fun... I'd definitely do that if I was over there. I envy you your pleasant summer running temperatures.

I have a few friends approaching their 100th park run. But I'm 30 minutes from 3 different organised runs and the social aspect doesn't appeal.

You should train by running between them! : )

lol i love this snorepins running hack

btw i think olympic lifting might be good for running too