of course, but the "problematic" elements seem pretty minor by rock music standards I guess?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link
and that if you are very heavy-handedly championing causes that you are not a part of, that you are prob going to be held to a certain level of scrutiny?
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link
and that people who *are* a part of those causes might have opinions about it?
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:45 (five years ago) link
you are absolutely right in that these "problematic" elements are pretty minor by rock music standardsI am not approaching this by rock music standardsI am approaching this as a queer person watching straight people flirt with queerness and radical politics and other stuff in a way that feels very sus
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
in the grand scheme of things they are on the correct side and are fighting the good fight, there are so many other bands saying worse things and being shitty and all of them also deserve criticismthis band in particular bothers me because they hit a nerve that I'm particularly sensitive to and I really don't know how to explain this to someone who hasn't experienced it
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
do we actually know that they're all straight?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
IIII've got a friend who's an imm-i-grantThe bloke at the shop is an imm-i-grantIIII did a check on my family treee My great great uncle was Czech app-a-rent-lyyyI can say 'beer' in five different languagesI even put Kielbasa in my lunch-time sandwichesEverything relates back to me me meAnd if you don't like it you're the en-e-my
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
like I'm not sitting on some throne with a scowl on my face trying to scrutinize every single band for every single little thing, I'm not looking for things to get offended at, I don't expect that everyone on the planet needs to be perfect in every way, people are flawed, mistakes are made, people grow, etc, all of this is great, but there is something... maybe not wolf in sheeps clothingy per se, but just "off" about it, and expressing the offness and getting the response of "eh you're overthinking it, what's the big deal" just reinforces this
― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link
iirc they have said in interviews that they are all straight
expressing the offness and getting the response of "eh you're overthinking it, what's the big deal" just reinforces this
fwiw I totally get being particularly sensitive to certain issues and I'm not interested in being an apologist for anyone (nor have I listened to the new record more than in passing or have a particular attachment to them) so I should probably just bounce
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link
I mean that's why I approached your criticism with the "you're write, there are some issues here" rather then just shut up about it. I just think that maybe I'm slightly less cynical about their motives.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 21 September 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
Mate, I wasn't imagining a person, I was talking about me
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:41 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh OK then. fyi inner city queer and femme punk gigs are not intimidating ime
― still wackford after all these squeers (DJ Mencap), Friday, 21 September 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
I've just spent 5 minutes reading Idles lyrics on Genius and have concluded that they are simply a 2018 version of Carter USM
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 21 September 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
eh OK then. fyi inner city queer and femme punk gigs are not intimidating ime― still wackford after all these squeers (DJ Mencap), Friday, September 21, 2018 3:08 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― still wackford after all these squeers (DJ Mencap), Friday, September 21, 2018 3:08 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Heheh, I live in the city and I go to things like that. I wasn't making fun of the stereotype though, more saying that this is the audience who are starting to warm most to Idles: they're plugging a gap that needed filled.
― Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 21 September 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link
Pretty much yeah.
― Matt DC, Friday, 21 September 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
Sleaford Mods are in another level compared to Idles. Don't really deserve the comparison.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 21 September 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
Wire at their most mediocre (as they are at present) are basically the prevailing standard in UK post-punk right now
― imago, Friday, 21 September 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
they were bonkers on jools holland last week, sitting at his piano during their song, taking their mic upstairs and the lead singer doing a circuit of the studio during the instrumental bit. it was quite endearing. and the way he'd stamp his foot, to no audible effect.
they also look very disparate as a band, like all of them belong in other bands. kinda funny, but a big mess with it.
> a 2018 version of Carter USM
oof!
― koogs, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link
The Carter USM comparison is a bit harsh. At least Carter had some decent songs.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
That was a hilarious Jools Holland performance right enough. Really fantastic. I'm not fussed about the records so much, but they're way better than Carter USM.
― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
Brilliant band. Absolutely brilliant.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 22:53 (five years ago) link
that was a cool performance
not familiar with Carter USM, just clicked on the first video of theirs to show on YT, don't see much similarity
― niels, Thursday, 4 October 2018 06:30 (five years ago) link
I know this is the thread for people who don't trust themselves to criticise a record without shitting up a thread, but the Idles thread is literally unshituppable so maybe we should do this over there.― Matt DC, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:38 (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 December 2018 10:38 (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 December 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
I've just spent 5 minutes reading Idles lyrics on Genius and have concluded that they are simply a 2018 version of Carter USM― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 21 September 2018 15:13 (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 21 September 2018 15:13 (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
To clarify on this point, they sound nothing like Carter USM, they just resemble them on a conceptual / lyrical basis. Sleaford Mods sound like Carter USM.
Here is a bit from an FT article on Carter which sums it up-
Before each single’s release there would be an item on the NME news page saying what Carter would be “dealing with” this time. “Anytime Anyplace Anywhere” “dealt with” alcoholism; “Bloodsport For All” “dealt with” racism in the army; “After The Watershed” “dealt with” child abuse; and so on. Dealing with an issue involved shouting about how bad it was, in an oblique sort of way which the Carter website calls ‘blackly humourous’ and which you could still jump up and down to.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 December 2018 11:02 (five years ago) link
Did these guys invent DadPunk or just perfect it?
― biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:23 (five years ago) link
No, wait, Rory McGrathcore
― biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:48 (five years ago) link
OMG.
― Matt DC, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:01 (five years ago) link
I fucking LOVE THIS BAND.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
I also love this band
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 2 January 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
I missed the recent DC show but won't miss the next one.
― Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 January 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
So... they covered Strokes Reptilia and Beatles Helter Skelter
https://youtu.be/ruhPJ87iitQ
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 31 August 2020 04:30 (three years ago) link
not sure i understand the point of a deliberately terrible cover like that
― ufo, Monday, 31 August 2020 07:40 (three years ago) link
some sort of beef with sleaford mods?
let me take this opportunity to restate how shit idles are
― imago, Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
^^^an opinion about a band that is sure to attract notice on ilm
― imago, Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link
I tried w/ them and Fontaines DC and this wave of "comfort food post-punk bands" leaves me cold (except Protomartyr)
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link
just so tepid
― imago, Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
I don't know this band or Sleaford Mods, but it's roused the ire of Kenny Beats (the internet's favorite rap producer) fans
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 10 September 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
xxpost too funny, last night i tried Fontaines DC for the first time and about 2/3rds of the way through the album i switched over to Protomartyr and wallowed in how much they rule
― alpine static, Thursday, 10 September 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
I like Lithics, Nots, Viagra Boys, Priests, Pill and some others quite a bit but Idles and Fontaines DC are nowhere near skronky enough.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 11 September 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
Stewart Lee's description of Idles as "snowflake Oi!" seems about right.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 11 September 2020 00:57 (three years ago) link
Truly baffled by Idles never understood it at all. Fontaines are decent here and there but the ‘songs’ just kind of go round and round don’t they? Sorta dirgey. Bafflingly popular with the broadsheets.
― piscesx, Friday, 11 September 2020 01:37 (three years ago) link
Bafflingly popular with young posh boys with autism claims, I already can't deal with them cunts
― Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Friday, 11 September 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link
Clack-clack, clack-a-clang clang!That's the sound of the gun going bang-bang
― groovypanda, Friday, 25 September 2020 08:16 (three years ago) link
New album out yesterday.
I don't understand for the life of me the tepid reaction this band has received here, I think they're brilliant.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
lol, i feel like everyone went apeshit for this band two years ago and now they are absolutely hated by the same group.
i don't know if it's a high-profile backlash but i can't remember one quite so violent and complete.
― alpine static, Sunday, 27 September 2020 07:11 (three years ago) link
The new album is great. This is basically what I wanted from Andrew WK and never got.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
DADPUNK
― Mille scampeaux (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
Glad to see some praise for the new album, hadn't played it yet but I was surprised by how harsh the Pfork pan was (though I guess they weren't all that sold on the last one either).
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 September 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
The Vulture piece was the worst I saw and I thought it was mostly bullshit.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 28 September 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link
"War" is as plodding as the last single I remember ("Mercedes Marxist"), which doesn't make me want to seek out the rest of the album.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
A group of 5 straight white men singing things like "I put homophones in coffins" feels performative and condescending
disappointed to find out that this isn't the actual lyric and was presumably just autocorrect accidently improving the song (or just Stevie D(eux) joking)
― soref, Friday, 19 April 2024 09:45 (one week ago) link
lmao at this article
― imago, Friday, 19 April 2024 09:53 (one week ago) link
During his time in office, Brown built a generally favourable response from the public and gained a reputation as a stable leader who actively worked to stabilise the country after the financial crash. He also pledged to make reform of the National Health Service a major priority, retain the various public-sector reforms implemented by Blair, and “wage an unremitting battle against poverty” (via Britannica).
attention hip young gunslingers britannica.com copy-and-pasters
― soref, Friday, 19 April 2024 10:16 (one week ago) link
a very good summary of the hollowed out and politically vacuous brain of the UK GTTO crowd.
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 19 April 2024 10:36 (one week ago) link
i don't really understand how it's possible for them to be this embarrassing
― ufo, Friday, 19 April 2024 10:40 (one week ago) link
It reminds me of the dodgy Labour councillor who was trying to persuade me to attend a clp meeting so I could vote for something he wanted. I told him I'm a Corbyn entryist and don't really have the time for any of this nonsense. To try and appeal to me he said: listen, the 3 major Labour figures I've always had the most respect are Corbyn, Gordon Brown and Ken Livingstone!
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 19 April 2024 10:48 (one week ago) link
tired: steam punkwired: Starm punk
― soref, Friday, 19 April 2024 12:44 (one week ago) link
Starm und dreck
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 19 April 2024 16:35 (one week ago) link