The Ballad of Buster Scruggs - Coen Brothers Netflix series turned portmanteau movie

excellent cast, as would be expected

with the exception of the Kazan story, this all felt totally inconsequential

that was my inkling

much of it looks really ugly as well, really horrible colouring/contrast

It’s absolutely terrible. Like a joke they decided to play on Netflix.

I kind of loved it

what does that mean?

you're too smart to make a post like that, Simon.

I'm through the first three tales right now and will resume later this weekend, but I... love it too?

I'm dumb I guess.

I assure you I'm not too smart for anything!

I found it had a cumulative effect that I don't want to get too deeply into before more people have a chance to watch. I do recommend Adam Nayman's piece for The Ringer, though.

Also, I think the bros made the right move cramming these stories into one 130-minute movie rather than lavishing all of them with 45 to 60 minutes apiece. I have to imagine at least a few would have dragged considerably.

That said, I think this will be the most common reaction for most audiences:

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— The Onion (@TheOnion) November 17, 2018

I had to go an hour and a half into the suburbs to get to the one cinema showing it here, but it turns out once you get that far, all tickets are $4 (or $5.50 for 3D)

fucking loved it, would definitely recommend taking a break after the third or fourth if you're watching it on Netflix though

much of it looks really ugly as well, really horrible colouring/contrast

yeah, at the very least the four middle pieces would have benefited from being shot on film, even if still graded as intensely (O Brother is fine by me). the bookends each have such a deliberate artificial tone that it's not necessarily a detriment. and the setting of the final piece may have been easier to shoot with what seemed to be smaller crappier camera? idk

can understand others getting more out of this tone of coens but people saying this is their best looking film is mind boggling

the digital look didn't bug me, it was clear they were going for a "constructed" look rather than the more classical western vibe of say True Grit

Garbage

I thought this was fun, though I was in and out of the room so I really only watched Ballad, the Tom Waits gold bit, and the last part with the carriage o'doom. I wasnt looking to be all Comic Book Guy about the film stock though, so ... eh.

summary of opinions expressed so far:

• inconsequential
• terrible
• kind of loved it
• love it?
• fucking loved it
• garbage
• fun

I missed the longest middle drawn out sombre stories so may have had less of a positivwe take if I'd sat thru the whole thing. The whole YOU HAVE DIED OF DYSENTERY oregon trail bit I did tap out on tbrh.

Plenny a good westerns

This aint one ovvum yahear

but was it good enough to be entertaining?

it's ~entertaining~, but it's six longish short films that are all about death, and how everything we do on earth is striving pointlessly to fill our time and find some diversion and fulfillment during the eyeblink of time that we spend here. a couple of them are comedies.

this is brilliant. get fucked, ilx

I'm not sure I like the Coen bros very much, but liked this quite a lot. The short story format means everything has to get to the point, means there's a lot of things to think about. I'm not sure it adds up to anything more than some fairly boring points about life and death and frontier existence.

this made me realize I want to see a movie with Tom Waits and Nick Nolte as long-retired PIs chasing down one last case.

This thread has not yet dampened my anticipation for existential Coen westernisms in the comfort of my home.

The Western tropes and the goofiness of the opening/titular segment disguise the fact that this has much more in common tonally and thematically with A Serious Man than with any of their other Westerns or comedies, imo

Will watch Tom Waits part and then remove from list.

Stick around for the following episode, you will not regret it.

I enjoyed all of these, except for Meal Ticket, which took its sweet time getting to a very obvious point.

I guess I took it as less "obvious" than "inevitable," the natural result of the simple, ruthless everyday calculus. But I found it affecting nonetheless.

the bookends each have such a deliberate artificial tone that it's not necessarily a detriment

rewatched most of it on TV and the day-for-"night" section of the last story looks like dogshit

I've had the Surly Joe song stuck in my head for the last two days :(

I thought the first story was some brilliant genre satire, and the last one an unnerving meta-commentary on the whole thing, and the four stories in between varying degrees of good to very good. The digital photography bothered me until it didn't, and the Waits story was beautifully shot (the day-for-night stuff in the finale looked phoney, sure, but in a silent movie way that I kind of admired). I didn't even recognize Waits, but I'd get behind a Best Supporting Actor campaign if he's eligible (still not sure how the whole Netflix thing works re: awards). Also, James Franco's best performance either since Freaks and Geeks or ever, for whatever that's worth.

I didn't even recognize Franco or a full minute or two because he didn't look like an underfed stringbean. Dude should keep some meat on his bones.

I'm sure I've said this somewhere before, but as much as everyone hates to admit it, Franco is a pretty consistently strong actor

i didn't quite bust my scruggs to this but it was a diverting 2 hours and change.

I liked Franco's bit. "First time?" made me lol.

He's good at doing that bewildered "wtf is going on" thing.

I’m sure Franco’s been in loads of rubbish, but he’s capable to v good in the things I’ve seen him in

the next film I saw in the cinema after Scruggs was Addams Family Values (for the first time), lol at the range of unexpected Krumholtzery in the pair

this was so good

I also loved it. Giving owl looks to the haters.

This is excellent. My fave Cohens since "A Serious Man".

The Kazan one kind of dragged for me. And there was a missed opportunity not showing the Arthur character attempt to deliver the bad news without making it seem like HE did it to keep Billy as an employee... and yes that may or may not be the “obvious” consequence teased in the closing scene but I imagine most people assume it is just meant to imply “Arthur is dreading giving his buddy the sad news”.

Everything leading up to that moment felt a little slow watching them think through how she will negotiate her financial issue, and then the proposal conversation... Maybe I just wasn’t detecting enough chemistry? idk

I kind of liked the anti-romantic nature of their courtship

I don't think the possible consequence Evn mentions is supported by what we know about those characters.

For me that segment works for the ambiguity of Arthur's level of engagement with the situation (until the climax), the herky-jerky rhythms of Billy and Alice's courtship, and of course the Coens' facility for building a little nested comic tragedy of tiny errors and massive consequences out of not much of anything.

buster being a live action looney tunes character was unexpected and ridiculous

I've had the Surly Joe song stuck in my head for the last two days :(

― paolo, Tuesday, November 20, 2018 4:43 AM (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Likewise. The soundtrack is on Spotify, but I just found that "Surly Joe" doesn't play nearly as well out of context. Carter Burwell's score is (typically) beautiful, though.

I thought the total work looked good and moved swiftly (at least compared to The Sisters Brothers, another modern revisionist Western). Do contemporary audiences even recognize the genre conventions the "Buster Scruggs" installment so thoroughly subverts?

My guess would be no, although it depends what you mean by "modern audiences." I only barely know who Gene Autry and Roy Rogers because of my grandparents and my weird interests in old things as a kid, though I suspect that my parents (who are probably roughly the Coens' age) would at least retain a vague cultural memory of the figure.

I loved this! Obviously rather grim but there was a lot of good whistling-past-the-graveyard humor tge Coens excel at imo.

I will rep for the Zoe Kazan oregon trail story, I thought it was excellent & really well studied. (Sidebar I am a big Donner Party nerd & am a sucker for stories of all those insane pioneer journeys to the west)

I found it to be quite romantic, though to clarify: the courting was “romantic” for the time period & circumstances. Those wagon train folks had hard lives full of day to day if not hourly tragedies & loss, and owing to piety & social constraints were pragmatic to a fault, so it would be unlikely for them to achieve anything like our current standards of modern romance, yknow: heartfelt emotions & such.

And the Tom Waits story was so good - again, very of that time, and the single-focus mindset of the prospector was so well done. Felt like it could’ve gone down in the Sierra foothills not far from Sacramento. GOODNIGHT MISTER POCKET.

inconclusion, people are like ferrets

excellent

I need to rewatch, but I totally think it's possible the Coens saw the Leprechaun parallels and played into it a bit without literally trying to say the dude was a Leprechaun.

Leprechauns? That's where the Coens are Vikings!

Leprechaun Returns out today fyi

n 'All Gold Canyon,' the stranger/claim jumper who shot Tom Waits' prospector in the back was actually a leprechaun protecting his "pot o' gold," y/n?

He's wearing all green, he's appears out of nowhere, and he doesn't act with any urgency to collect the gold Waits found. He, instead, smokes a cigarette calmly and sits down like "got another one."

When I first read this, I thought you were literally saying that the character is a leprechaun and this is a salient part of the plot, which seemed far-fetched. If the idea is more that the costume designer was drawing on leprechaun-like archetypes in the character's outfit, as a sort of joke, without it necessarily making the character a leprechaun in any substantive way that would matter to the story, that does seem more plausible.

what if leprechauns were just a mythical representation of claim jumpers the whole time? always hoarding gold, just out of our reach

In the original Jack London story, the fact that the gold does NOT belong to the claim jumper is absolutely essential to the story. Even hinting that this was in some way a legitimate act, protecting the murderer's legitimate rights to the gold turns the entire story on its head.

But such a reversal of roles makes zero sense. The deeper moral outrage of the story is predicated on the idea that, not only does the stranger murder the prospector for the gold, but he purposely waits around before killing him, so the prospector would do all the hard physical work for him. He not just greedy and violent, he's lazy, too.

did anyone imply the claim jumper was ever in the right

I mean, it would be implied if he was a leprechaun...

so mythical beings have property rights now? pshaw

ersatz pshaw. I'm not buying it.

I need to rewatch, but I totally think it's possible the Coens saw the Leprechaun parallels and played into it a bit without literally trying to say the dude was a Leprechaun.

― circa1916, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thank you! Seriously...

Just what are the property rights of leprechauns, this needs to be sorted out

They own this shit over here, ok?

https://media.fromthegrapevine.com/assets/images/2017/2/rainbow-israel-0208.jpg.480x0_q71_crop-scale.jpg

Aimless otm

“claim jumper is a leprechaun” makes the whole story so on the nose as to be pointless. leave Johnny Fever to his lucky charms fanfic, i beg you all

hmmm, you eat lucky charms from a cereal bowl

I started watching this. First 2 segments are solid gold. 3rd is weird but kind of interesting. 4th is kinda boring so far.

I generally liked this! No outright bad episodes -- though the most promising, with Zoe Kazan and Bill Heck, is where I overdosed on the cruelty -- and several ace ones, including the Tom Waits prospector and "The Meal Ticket."

I am familiar with counting chickens in sideshows.

Yeah, “Meal Ticket” and “The Prospector” are def the two that have stayed with me the most, I still think about them a lot.

also where do you stand on ‘claimjumper is a leprechaun’

hadn't occurred to me, sure n' begorrah

I'm willing to accept the guy as a leprechaun because it's not the only, or even the most, unrealistic thing in the episode. The prospector gets shot in the back and just carries on like nbd? They're both supernatural beings!

I honestly thought that happens all the time in the US tbh.

"Hyper-resilient old prospector" makes more sense to me in the context of a Western homage than "gun-wielding, smoking, human-sized leprechaun stopping by from Celtic myths to protect a pocket of gold".

Tbf I never said he WAS a leprechaun, I said he LOOKED like a leprechaun

I need to rewatch, but I totally think it's possible the Coens saw the Leprechaun parallels and played into it a bit without literally trying to say the dude was a Leprechaun.

― circa1916, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I need to rewatch, but I totally think it's possible the Coens saw the Leprechaun parallels and played into it a bit without literally trying to say the dude was a Leprechaun.

― circa1916, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I need to rewatch, but I totally think it's possible the Coens saw the Leprechaun parallels and played into it a bit without literally trying to say the dude was a Leprechaun.

― circa1916, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Hyper-resilient old prospector" makes more sense to me in the context of a Western homage than "gun-wielding, smoking, human-sized leprechaun stopping by from Celtic myths to protect a pocket of gold".

― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Coen Brothers, meet Neil Gaiman's American Gods. Gaiman, meet the Coen Brothers.

The prospector gets shot in the back and just carries on like nbd?

IT DINT HIT NOTHIN' IMPORTANT

Johnny Fever originated the leprechaun theory, and as far as I can tell he did mean a literal leprechaun

yeah, well

btw Nelson, Kazan and Bill Heck did a Q&A after the screening at MoMA last night. Nelson said he first saw a script or treatment for his segment in 2002, I think?

Kazan said she prepared by re-reading Willa Cather. Not the history ("I'd done a shit-ton of research for Meek's Cutoff" -- which i'd forgotten she was in).

The digitalness of the imagery was distracting at times, like in the opening scene, where I doubt TB Nelson was anywhere near Monument Valley.

The whole YOU HAVE DIED OF DYSENTERY oregon trail bit I did tap out on tbrh

cholera, i'm pretty sure

this was def the hottest i've seen Franco looking in years... but Bill Heck tops him (heh heh)

I not only found Franco attractive in the film (which is rare) but I actually enjoyed his performance (which is even rarer).

I feel like there was some kind of deliberate cross-reference between "PAN SHOT" and "PRAIRIE DOG" or whatever the wagon train guy yelled

the first episode is an extended Singing Cowboy joke... it's hard to believe how many singing cowboys on film there were in the '30s and '40s. Roy Rogers was the only one who endured.

I was trying to think of a name of another one besides Roy while watching it and sadly drew a blank

Gene Autry was the only other one I'm really familiar with

Yeah gene autry has endured. His Xmas songs get a lot of play

I watched a Ken Maynard one the other night for lols and it was weird as hell.

Yes, Autry def #2 (and possibly richer!) but have you ever seen any of his films? My God, there are 97 on Letterboxd; I wonder how many exceed 55 minutes, or weren't serials.

Check out the plot of this one:

https://letterboxd.com/film/the-phantom-empire-1935/

sounds right up my alley

Yeah I wasn't responding to circa or Shakey.

I'm on team leprechaun, you guys don't deserve JF.

rmde

Leprechaun lies in the eyes of the beholder imo

You can think any damn thing you like. Just don't pester me with your sad delusions.

^ not new board description