pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

obviously

well, THE two 80s Fall albums

ya

Black Flag - another dull Yank-punk outfit. PENI FOREVER

― imago, Monday, September 10, 2018 3:21 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are sentenced to life in THE SHED

I think in general the list has become more US-centric?

There is a third jazz-album, btw, Alice Coltrane is on there with Turiya Sings. But perhaps that's not jazz enough? Would love to see a bit more, but I'm not sure there really are that many consensus 80's jazz records? What else should be on there? I'm not sure I buy Tutu and Wynton Marsalis.

Also, seeing as there's a lot more classical than before, it's pretty surprising that Tabula Rasa has fallen off the list. And wrong, btw, that record is as great as they say. I could also someday see John Adams get on there, either with Nixon in China, or if we're being more quirky, The Chairman Dances (that whole album is weirdly consistent).

That Alice Coltrane album isn't jazz at all - it's a cassette of devotional/spiritual music she sold to her followers. It got rehabbed in the last year or two when Luaka Bop put out a compilation of her spiritual stuff (which is good, mind you, but it's not jazz in any sense and she'd have told you so herself).

I think in general the list has become more US-centric?

For sure. But then the US seems to have gotten more US-centric, so it's not a big surprise.

Would love to see a bit more, but I'm not sure there really are that many consensus 80's jazz records? What else should be on there?

maybe something like ‘as wichita falls’?

Err ‘as falls wichita’ obv

Song X by Pat Metheny/Ornette Coleman?

^^^ I almost expected to see it

Or maybe some Last Exit?

Power Tools - Strange Meeting is a good one.

If I were to pick an 80s Metheny album, it would probably be Offramp

Anthony Braxton put out tons of stuff in the 80s, don't know if there's a particular consensus pick in there.

Imagine hearing this and thinking Straight Outta Compton is better than Nation of Millions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_04TzJsVpc

That album's jump from 35 to 3 is definitely notable

Man, that album at number 3 ...

Oh, here's one that I could see get reevaluated at some point, not sure if it would be good or bad: Herbie Hancock - Future Shock?

all three of the electronic hancock records are great

Good call Frederik, and yeah re-evaluation will favor it imo.

whiney otm

is it a challops or conventional wisdom to note that Straight Outta Compton drops off *hard* after the first three songs, with the other real bright spots being old (8-Ball and Dopeman) and the rest being mostly useless...?

Nation of Millions has easily identifiable filler too but is p relentless by comparison

also extra-lol at "Control" placing so high, that album sucks

No One Can Do It Better >>>> SOC

so many aimless tracks where you can tell Janet doesn't have a clue what to do. The hits were hits for a reason, the rest is Jam & Lewis not quite hitting their stride.

No One Can Do It Better >>>> SOC

^^^real heads know what's up

also extra-lol at "Control" placing so high, that album sucks

― Οὖτις, Monday, September 10, 2018

I've waited years for people to realize how good Jackson-Jam-Lewis were on this thing: every single is cold steel. And seven of nine tracks were singles, like on Thriller.

This is even better!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control:_The_Remixes

Shakey, on what universe does Control suck? I was young but remember the shock in hearing tracks as hard as "Nasty" and "Control" on the radio.

If you wanna say Hearsay is better, I accept it.

Control is great. When I saw her play last year those songs (along with the Rhythm Nation songs) just exploded.

But per Shakey and his (and my) dislike of Thriller, at least as an album, Control has a vision.

the universe where I listened to it for the first time in 30(?) years recently on a roadtrip and wanted to skip 75% of it

xp

Control has a more unified sound than Thriller does, that's true

It's inconceivable that somebody might think "When I Think of You," "What Have You Done For Me Lately," and "The Pleasure Principle" are annoyances.

"Nasty" and "What Have You Done For Me Lately" were the standouts I was referring to. I felt like most of the rest were very shapeless

you must've been in a bad mood

"control sucks" is a good contextual opinion for "thriller is overrated" tbh

a personal favorite i never ever expected to place, but still, imagine: joan armatrading's walk under ladders

it's true I'm generally pretty harsh on mainstream 80s R&B, and then when new jack swing really kicked into high gear bleeeeurrrgh.

I do love all the Prince-affiliated stuff from the era - Andre Cymone, Sheila E., the Time, etc. - and a lot of the imitators, but that was more of a subcurrent as the decade wore on, and it was entirely out of steam by '88 or so

a personal favorite i never ever expected to place, but still, imagine: joan armatrading's walk under ladders

― princess of hell (BradNelson),

Have you heard Sleight of Hand? Fascinating record. She produces and plays every guitar part yet it isn't much different from a 1986-era rock crossover. Fascinating.

I'm delighted Anita Baker and Sade got in, but I guess it'll be 2034 when we see Luther Vandross, Alexander O'Neal, Stephanie Mills, Maze ft. Frank Beverly, and Rene & Angela.

Have you heard Sleight of Hand? Fascinating record. She produces and plays every guitar part yet it isn't much different from a 1986-era rock crossover. Fascinating.

― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, September 10, 2018 3:57 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i haven't! she has an intimidating catalog

please report back

I gotta have a laugh Pitchfork has dumped John Zorn, Faith No More, Dead Kennedys & Swans to the dustbin of W H O A S O E D G Y /mu/Reddit/RYM dork trash in favor of ... Nurse With Wound and Psychic TV

well, not a real laugh, but a figurative one

I shouldn't be, but I was disappointed that Pirates didn't place. I feel like that album has a sort of similar "people are slowly discovering this amazing album all the time" dynamic as Hats - but maybe that's just ILM and the fact that they seem to share a lot of fans in common around here, obviously its sound is not nearly as directly relevant to prevailing trends.

(the logical extension of this kind of magical thinking would be to expect Night Ride Home to make any revamped 90s poll)

alfred what vandross albums do you like

lol at p4k linking "escape" as their track-to-listen-to from "ride the lightning"

alfred what vandross albums do you like

― marcos, Monday, September 10, 2018

You can't go wrong between 1981 and 1986. I'm fond of Never Too Much and The Night I Fell in Love, the latter because "My Sensitivity" and "The Other Side of the World" are ungodly beautiful.

I gotta have a laugh Pitchfork has dumped John Zorn, Faith No More, Dead Kennedys & Swans to the dustbin of W H O A S O E D G Y /mu/Reddit/RYM dork trash in favor of ... Nurse With Wound and Psychic TV

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten)

ah come on nww is hardly 4chan edgelord shit, not when there's dozens of fucking whitehouse tapes and all that other power electronics bullshit

as for "RYM dork trash" it's mostly, uh, Arvo Pärt

anyway a decent list. keeping in mind its inherent biases, which mean that something like matia bazar's "aristocratica" is never going to show up, the one album i'd say should be up there is "keep on doing" by the roches.

never too much is front-to-back classic