I assume. Or just growing up on Reddit
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link
there are quite a few artists with multiple entries in the list that seem unnecessary. would have liked to have seen them shed a bunch of these and have a greater range of artists represented.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
playlist is complete:
https://open.spotify.com/user/olken2000/playlist/3FT4IqZf9kXh7APS5rCIZr?si=RzD4HMnmRoGh4mMjmiEqZA
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
there's some good 80s country:Diamonds and DirtGuitars, Cadillacs, etc.Guitar TownKing's Record ShopI Wonder Do You Ever Think Of MeI Am What I AmStorms of LifeKilling TimeShadowland+ stuff by Kathy Mattea, Emmylou Harris, Nanci Griffith, Carlene Carter, Suzy Boggus, Patty Loveless, etc.
― President Keyes, Monday, 10 September 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link
Also can we note REM’s falling stock? I think I saw only two of their albums? And this is the era I thought everyone agreed was their most classic.
Looks like the 2002 list included "Murmur," "Reckoning," and "Document"; while the new list finds room for only "Reckoning" and "Murmur."
I would say that R.E.M. is no more or less cool now than they were in 2002 (i.e., they've been uncool since the late '90s), but their stock is due to rise with Gen-Z listeners (as has been discussed here recently)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
I mean I think multiple entries per artist is dumb on any year/decade list including the ones we do every year but it seems to be a permanent fixture
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
I'm scanning the Top 10 of both lists to try to discern some "trend" in how consensus taste has changed in past 16 years, but I'm tired and not really coming up w/anything meaningful
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
it's unfortunate that these lists seem to stimulate more discussion among music lovers than anything else
― dyl, Monday, 10 September 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
would you prefer the music haters weighed in
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 September 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
Thriller's jump from 27 to 2 is pretty notable, tho
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
Thriller is overrated btw
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 September 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
MJ in general is vastly overrated
I'm not a fan, myself
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
the backlash has begun
― President Keyes, Monday, 10 September 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
(but I'm just some dude, not a music kritic)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
surely the backlash began at least a decade ago and this is the anti-backlash
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
My personal MJ backlash began in 1987
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 September 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
more and more i am realizing that thriller is absolutely not overrated
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
like calling kind of blue overrated, like who gives a shit
well, this is a discussion about a literal rating of 200 albums
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
(so I guess "giving a shit" is implied in any discussion about the rankings at all?)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
Overrated is overrated
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
ok pls unload your contrarian opinions about thriller i'm sure it'll be interesting
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
I'd be into it if they were lead by a really obnoxious clickbait hook
― Evan, Monday, 10 September 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
xp Me or Shakey? I have none, I haven't listened to the album in prob. 35 yrs. I just noted its rise up the chart was interesting
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
part of it might be too that people caught on to waits essentially doing the exact same thing for 30 years
― marcos, Monday, September 10, 2018 10:33 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm no stan but this isn't even remotely true
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 September 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
The only challops I'll take is Bad >> Thriller or Dangerous >> Thriller
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
apparently all the ugly and shady MJ facts still do not prevent the usually very polico Pitchfork to stan for him.
― Ludo, Monday, 10 September 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
also... the top 5 has 4 records which dads and mums of indiekids would love. So i guess parents DO have taste huh, and the masses too.
― Ludo, Monday, 10 September 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
Pretty sure president keyes was joking about the “backlash”
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
at least the BADlash has ended
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
is this list a new jersey
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 10 September 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
There's 40 albums that I don't know about that I really want to listen to now and in the end this is what lists are for right?
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
Like there's deep insecurity if you get mad at the ordering of albums or even exclusion on a website's list of whatever.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
I wonder how many people are missing out on Joey Purp's review because the big list was released the same day.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
does anyone outside the cult pay attention to Zorn anymore?
Good question! I think at this point he is, at 65, something of an elder statesman. He's also so prolific there's really no humanly way to keep up. But he's definitely not slowed down, and the diversity of his catalog is such that he gets respect from a lot of different cults at once.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
i think i picked up naked city when i was a teenager solely bc of its appearance on the pfork '80s list
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
i might be misremembering that since naked city came out in 1990 hm
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
Sometimes I forget how young some of you are (and/or how old I am).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
btw i guess there's a reason zorn isn't here, the album everyone would vote for technically doesn't count
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
no, you're right, Naked City was on their first 80s list
― President Keyes, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Zorn sold out his three shows in SF, so he's doing okay with his cult I guess
re: MJ - I don't know if this is news to anyone here or not but my opinions on MJ's music mirror other certain ILMers opinions on the Beatles. An overexposed sacred cow I never want to listen to, with diehard fans who never shut up about him. Oddly, while both the Beatles and MJ were critical, formative listening for me, I by and large don't care for the *sound* of MJ's catalog, it's generally harsh and brittle, and I don't find much to engage me in terms of inventive arrangements or sounds (perhaps it goes without saying that I prefer Prince's vision of 80s R&B to Quincy Jones'). And lyrically Thriller is wall-to-wall embarassments - whether it's the nonsensical posturing of "Thriller" or "Beat It" or the let's-have-a-gentlemanly-slapfight delivery of "The Girls is Mine" or the very-creepy-in-retrospect "PYT", there's very little that holds my interest. Nothing funny, or clever, or emotionally engaging. The closest thing to a recognizable emotion of a fully-formed human is "Billie Jean" (far and away the best song on the album) which unfortunately also is not remotely believable, coming from a person whose cultivated image is of an asexual manchild.
I'm sure none of this convinces anybody, but there ya go. MJ is the kind of subject for whom opinions are set in stone.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
ik this was a joke but it sure would be nice if robust discussion of great records from a particular era of pop culture could ever be spurred outside the context of a fucking ranked list
― dyl, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
thriller is a great record that has stood the test of time. some have recently and falsely claimed otherwise -- i'm thinking specifically of bill werde while arguing earlier this year that beyoncé should be mentioned in the same breath as mj et al -- but nearly all of its tracks still percolate constantly through the ether today, and for good reason. it is better & more 'impactful' (altho this should cease to be a consideration for whether records are good) than off the wall, the token mj pick among Real Music lovers.
― dyl, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
also no one ever use the word "impactful" again pls thanks
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
I've probably told this story before, but when MJ died I went to a tribute concert. When songs from Off the Wall were played folks a bit older than I went nuts. When Thriller stuff was played me and my peers perhaps reacted the most. When Bad stuff was played people a bit younger than us perked up. And so on (with a little bit of overlap between each group, of course).
I finally looked at the whole list and by and large and rank aside I don't think there is anything I would necessarily outright gong. Maybe INXS's Kick - though lots of hits! - or Stop Making Sense, which is a cheat, because I don't think it would stand without the implied corresponding visuals of the movie.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
re: MJ - I don't know if this is news to anyone here or not but my opinions on MJ's music mirror other certain ILMers opinions on the Beatles. An overexposed sacred cow I never want to listen to, with diehard fans who never shut up about him. Oddly, while both the Beatles and MJ were critical, formative listening for me, I by and large don't care for the *sound* of MJ's catalog, it's generally harsh and brittle, and I don't find much to engage me in terms of inventive arrangements or sounds (perhaps it goes without saying that I prefer Prince's vision of 80s R&B to Quincy Jones'). And lyrically Thriller is wall-to-wall embarassments - whether it's the nonsensical posturing of "Thriller" or "Beat It" or the let's-have-a-gentlemanly-slapfight delivery of "The Girls is Mine" or the very-creepy-in-retrospect "PYT", there's very little that holds my interest. Nothing funny, or clever, or emotionally engaging. The closest thing to a recognizable emotion of a fully-formed human is "Billie Jean" (far and away the best song on the album) which unfortunately also is not remotely believable, coming from a person whose cultivated image is of an asexual manchild.I'm sure none of this convinces anybody, but there ya go. MJ is the kind of subject for whom opinions are set in stone.
Agree with this 1000%. Except the "crucial, formative listening" part. I heard all the Thriller hits when they were brand new, but there were plenty of other Top 40 songs I liked a lot more - Eurythmics, the Clash, Prince. Jackson was just OK. And after Thriller, he wasn't even that. I remember hating the song "Bad" instantly.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
It's surprising to me that Remain in Light and Stop Making Sense (in the top 5 and mid-60s, respectively, on both lists -- with no other albums by the band included on either one) appear to be the two consensus Talking Heads albums of choice.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
The first one seems to be the most canonized, perhaps because it is so weird and distinctive and removed from all the albums before and after it?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
I guess so... the first three are such classics in their own right, though (and hold together better, IMO)
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Monday, 10 September 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link