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All of Tom Scholz's solos sound the fucking same

The modern lovers totally had an “edge” but it doesn’t seem like one you all would like.

“Hospital” is an extremely creepy ballad of a man obsessed—passively aggressively putting down a drug addicted young women for her unhealthy decisions and setting himself up as a kind of savior... but it’s obvious he only cares about her insofar as he wants to be with her. “Nice guy syndrome to the max.”

Similar types of bitterness run throughout the album. Even “pablo picasso” is kind of like a complaint that all the cool guys get to harass women and he can’t. His pining for the “old world” can easily be seen in this vein as well—a kind of prefigure of the current MRA fetishization of a world before feminism. He doesn’t lay it out but looking at the album as a whole he definitely sees himself as a kind of doeky guy who doesn’t really cut it in the “new world” of sexual liberation.

More musicians should shit on their fans

I don’t think the presence of these uncomfortable themes make the album “bad” as I don’t need my music to align with my morality (to a point—there is still a line). It’s actually weirdly psychologically convincing—the catcher in the rye of proto punk or whatever genre it is.

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He’s not complaining that he doesn’t get to harass women; he’s trying to teach a lesson to creeps who do:

Oh well be not schmuck, be not obnoxious
Be not bellbottom bummer or asshole
Remember the story of Pablo Picasso

I also don’t read “Hospital” at all the way you do

When you get out of the hospital
Let me back into your life

idk man

it's not the time to be making romantic overtures

And when you get out of the dating bar
I'll be here to get back into your life

this is a song told from the perspective of a stalker.

I can't stand what you do
I'm in love with your eyes
Oh, I can't stand what you do
Sometimes I can't stand you

also the "story of pablo picasso" is that he could get away with trawling for girls, "not like you"

i'm not saying this is a horrible, evil album. i'm just saying the narrator of these songs isn't as much of a forrest gump type as he likes to think he is.

yes the ambiguity around the narrator's right-on-ness or lack of it is what gives those songs their depth of meaning iirc

yeah i think so. i don't think the album would have really broken through with the cool kids of the late 70s if there wasn't more to it than the kind of boppy nostalgia quality you get from the surface

modern lovers a persanolity band if there ever was one. anyways the guys a total gentleman, treeship calling him an mra is very impressive trolling tho

no way. this is yet another case of me being correct.

I think it’s the perspective of a young guy being hella emo
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sure but hella emo guys with obsessive tendencies and many insecurities can often behave in damaging ways while still viewing themselves as the innocent party. i said this was the "catcher in the rye" of proto-punk albums, not the "american psycho"

in his best songs j richman is both scribbling "fuck you" and crossing it out at the same time which makes his music more interesting than either of those books

rock songs should never be written from an interesting, complex perspective

John Cage wrote music that is highly listenable.

well put

xp to tracer

Thing is modern lovers guy overdoes the autism shtick

I don't know how I didn't realize that John Cale wasn't the writer of that song until just now; I thought the ML covered it. Oops.

Ian Paice is a better drummer than Bill Ward

New Order were/are terrible musicians

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New Order were/are terrible musicians

― crüt, Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 PM

Description, not criticism.

Let It Be (album) > Abbey Road

Hospital was my favorite ML song for awhile.

I think I can get behind that. I don't really love Abbey Road outside of a few songs. There's a pleasant simplicity to the tunes on Let It Be that I enjoy much more.

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hard agree on Let It Be being better than Abbey Road, the worst Beatles album by a mile

Post an outright insane musical opinion

not really when you realize the beatles hardly had any good songs

Got to admit thread's not gettin better

Marc Baron has made two of the best noise albums of the last decade. Both of 'em are on the Potlatch label.

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no 1 asked u

U r sleepingbag

ud luv that wldnt u

"Post a non-controversial musical opinion" is a more difficult exercise than this thread.

'Ali Farka Touré is pretty cool.'

David Bowie's cover of God Only Knows on Tonight is pretty good and much better than the Beach Boys' original.

I called the FBI, no worries

John Cale's lyrics read like this old Maxell tape advert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe_fiTy81A0

No album is great all the way through.

An album where all tracks are great is not necessarily a great album.

Teenager of the Year is a great album, all the way through

The Replacements are possibly the most overrated band ever.

Topped only by Kiss.

They were. Now their reputation has settled. If anything their skunkish behavior did the right amount of reputation-skinning.