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Ronnie James Dio was better in Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne.

woah...

There is no such thing as bad music, the offender is the person who plays it in a public place

most music critics today are just as subjective as the rest of us.

agreed re: bjork, also her songs are unlistenable

The deification of Beyoncè is nauseating. Most music writers are unwilling to look skeptically at her creative process and image management, and that irritates me. She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music, and is responsible for a whole load of questionable and insincere shit created in order to make as much money as humanly possible.

rockism isn't controversial

It is these days.

my take two years ago was that the more "insincere" lemonade is the more powerful it is as art produced under capitalism

triggercut otm.

"authenticity" is an extremely shitty lens to discuss music through

She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music

I'm relieved you put that risible twaddle in scare quotes.

I'd rather you said her voice sucked and left it tbere.

There’s no such thing as authenticity, granted, but it’s a boring position nowadays, and I’m not entirely sure it holds up in practice. I want to believe.

boring things are good

that doubles as my response to the thread idea

Authenticity used to be the boring one tbf.

I still stand by the fact that music critics are judging Beyoncé under a rockist lens: She makes album-length statements, she makes important political statements, she hasn't had a Number One single in nearly a decade (that didn't have Ed Sheeran on it), she made a "video album," she has monster tours and headlines Coachella and gets prestige alterna creatives like Jack White/Vampire Weekend/James Blake/Jon Brion to help out

All this stuff (or its equivalent) would have been more Green Day/Brian Wilson/U2 than Usher/Britney/Ciara in the year Kelefa wrote his thing

All of which is to say Beyoncé is obviously awesome, but she's not certainly not some victory for the war against using "authenticity" as a measuring stick

Cadences can be authentic.

Cadenzas too.

All of which is to say Beyoncé is obviously awesome, but she's not certainly not some victory for the war against using "authenticity" as a measuring stick

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, September 8, 2018 7:24 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whiney otm

David Byrne would almost certainly be considered a musical colonist today.

Brian Auger rules

David Byrne would almost certainly be considered a musical colonist today.

the amount a great rock records is in decline with each passing year

Sgt. Pepper is underrated.

The consensus take is generally more correct than the contrarian one, although the latter may still be more interesting.

the amount a great rock records is in decline with each passing year

― nostormo, Saturday, September 8, 2018 8:16 AM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not controversial but also untrue imo

i would think that though

I agree with as well.

I would maybe go as far as saying great, face-melting rock is largely a forgotten craft.

what was the last great face-melting mainstream rock band?

Like arena rock? Probably pearl jam

System of a Down and Deftones come to mind

I would personally pick Mastodon although I don't know how mainstream they are. They've had a bunch of tracks over the past decade that sound pretty mainstream to me.

Abandon the word "mainstream" ('cause there's no such thing, every artist is a cult artist from Kanye and Beyoncé on down - there are millions of Americans who have never heard a Beyoncé song and never will) and I could list great rock bands all day.

I guess if they play them on the radio/kroq or some equivalent

Part of my problem is I haven't voluntarily listened to the radio in well over a decade, so I have no idea what turns up there these days.

I don't personally care if rock bands achieve mainstream success, I'd be happy with them existing and surviving.

A lot of indie rock bands currently seem to be wrapped up in mining 90s grunge sonics, which is fine, I just wish there were more guitar heroics. I want some badass riffs!

yeah and i guess also maybe a band that's unabashedly heavy on the riffs and solos. Pearl Jam is a decent choice.

One of my perpetual and controversial hobbyhorses:

Most of the time, when a band transitions from a fiery debut to more mature and understated follow ups, the debut tends to be the far superior version of the band.

i was v surprised that my favorite rock record from last year (manchester orchestra) actually turned out to be kind of a successful rock record too

mature understated follow-ups forever btw

i guess i don't have many actual controversial opinions except when Ross mentioned King, i remembered that i was extremely bored by the album and after giving it many chances i sold it : /

Part of my problem is I haven't voluntarily listened to the radio in well over a decade, so I have no idea what turns up there these days.

Me either. I am almost totally ignorant of pop music at this point. I know what's up in metal and radio-friendly hard rock because I still get sent promos of that stuff by publicists and labels. But I spend about 80% of my time listening to jazz these days.

Here's my controversial jazz opinion.

Kamasi Washington is this generation's Wynton Marsalis, a very popular, but essentially conservative figure in the jazz world. He maybe enjoys a bit more cred at the moment because the older music he references still has some hip cachet, but he's not bringing a lot of new ideas to the table.

Music criticism is great.

xp i'm not sure i'd agree w/ that take on wynton (i think he's worse than that) but i agree w/ that take on kamasi

Lol, fair

Kamasi's way more important as someone bringing people into the tent than he is as an actual musician (and I like his music). I don't think he'll be very influential in the long run in the "younger players want to sound like him" sense, but his influence in the "young people who didn't know jazz was an entertainment option available to them now actively seek it" sense is massive. (Though his musical skills are frequently underestimated even by people who praise him - I don't see much writing about the fact that he does all his own string and choral writing and arrangements, and produces his albums himself.)

Shabaka Hutchings, on the other hand, is influential in both the "bringing in new listeners" and the "making genuinely innovative music" senses. I think over time he'll be seen as more and more important.

One of my perpetual and controversial hobbyhorses:

Most of the time, when a band transitions from a fiery debut to more mature and understated follow ups, the debut tends to be the far superior version of the band.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles)

I’m a huge fan of debuts. Some bands get their sound just right in their first ep/lp, and there’s a sense of wonder that usually gets lost by the time the next album arrives.

Not exactly a controversial opinion though?