Björk's voice is horrendous
This isn't controversial because I came close to posting the same, or similar, earlier today.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
yeah that was the implicit preface of xp
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
every opinion about something being bad is a terrible, boring opinion. is my terrible, boring opinion.
― fuck giving a bear beer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Of course.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults music critics refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, September 7, 2018 3:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fixed
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:15 (five years ago) link
Robert Christgau has spent most of his life doing something that he isn't particularly good at - while it's admirable that he's had the stamina to listen to so much music over however many decades, it's all been for nothing as far as I'm concerned and a waste of time, particularly his.
Besides, spending time listening to a lot of music you may not like when there's a zillion better things to do is just a no-brainer. For music to be your life at that level after the age of, say, 40 strikes me as incredibly sad.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
-"a no-brainer", +"stupid"
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
Well, he does get paid for it
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
hard agree on Xgau, he is a pox on music criticism and culture. Just awful, incomprehensible pretentious nonsense - with a cult like devotion & following. horrible
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:13 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Friday, September 7, 2018 6:44 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this take gains some heat coming from ilm's biggest smashing pumpkins fan
― lowercase (eric), Friday, September 7, 2018 7:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know, and believe me I've tried, I think Björk is awesome and totally amazing as an artist & cultural figure. I just can't get past that voice. Sucks
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:14 (five years ago) link
Ronnie James Dio was better in Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:25 (five years ago) link
woah...
― flopson, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:32 (five years ago) link
There is no such thing as bad music, the offender is the person who plays it in a public place
― anvil, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:51 (five years ago) link
most music critics today are just as subjective as the rest of us.
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 8 September 2018 12:34 (five years ago) link
agreed re: bjork, also her songs are unlistenable
― crüt, Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:18 (five years ago) link
The deification of Beyoncè is nauseating. Most music writers are unwilling to look skeptically at her creative process and image management, and that irritates me. She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music, and is responsible for a whole load of questionable and insincere shit created in order to make as much money as humanly possible.
― triggercut, Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
rockism isn't controversial
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
It is these days.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
my take two years ago was that the more "insincere" lemonade is the more powerful it is as art produced under capitalism
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
triggercut otm.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
"authenticity" is an extremely shitty lens to discuss music through
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music
I'm relieved you put that risible twaddle in scare quotes.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
I'd rather you said her voice sucked and left it tbere.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
There’s no such thing as authenticity, granted, but it’s a boring position nowadays, and I’m not entirely sure it holds up in practice. I want to believe.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
boring things are good
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
that doubles as my response to the thread idea
Authenticity used to be the boring one tbf.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
I still stand by the fact that music critics are judging Beyoncé under a rockist lens: She makes album-length statements, she makes important political statements, she hasn't had a Number One single in nearly a decade (that didn't have Ed Sheeran on it), she made a "video album," she has monster tours and headlines Coachella and gets prestige alterna creatives like Jack White/Vampire Weekend/James Blake/Jon Brion to help out
All this stuff (or its equivalent) would have been more Green Day/Brian Wilson/U2 than Usher/Britney/Ciara in the year Kelefa wrote his thing
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:22 (five years ago) link
All of which is to say Beyoncé is obviously awesome, but she's not certainly not some victory for the war against using "authenticity" as a measuring stick
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:24 (five years ago) link
Cadences can be authentic.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
Cadenzas too.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, September 8, 2018 7:24 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
whiney otm
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
David Byrne would almost certainly be considered a musical colonist today.
― campreverb, Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
Brian Auger rules
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link
the amount a great rock records is in decline with each passing year
― nostormo, Saturday, 8 September 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link
Sgt. Pepper is underrated.
The consensus take is generally more correct than the contrarian one, although the latter may still be more interesting.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:02 (five years ago) link
― nostormo, Saturday, September 8, 2018 8:16 AM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not controversial but also untrue imo
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
i would think that though
I agree with as well.
I would maybe go as far as saying great, face-melting rock is largely a forgotten craft.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
what was the last great face-melting mainstream rock band?
― omar little, Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Like arena rock? Probably pearl jam
― F# A# (∞), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
System of a Down and Deftones come to mind
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
I would personally pick Mastodon although I don't know how mainstream they are. They've had a bunch of tracks over the past decade that sound pretty mainstream to me.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
Abandon the word "mainstream" ('cause there's no such thing, every artist is a cult artist from Kanye and Beyoncé on down - there are millions of Americans who have never heard a Beyoncé song and never will) and I could list great rock bands all day.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
I guess if they play them on the radio/kroq or some equivalent
― F# A# (∞), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
Part of my problem is I haven't voluntarily listened to the radio in well over a decade, so I have no idea what turns up there these days.
I don't personally care if rock bands achieve mainstream success, I'd be happy with them existing and surviving.
A lot of indie rock bands currently seem to be wrapped up in mining 90s grunge sonics, which is fine, I just wish there were more guitar heroics. I want some badass riffs!
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
yeah and i guess also maybe a band that's unabashedly heavy on the riffs and solos. Pearl Jam is a decent choice.
― omar little, Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
One of my perpetual and controversial hobbyhorses:
Most of the time, when a band transitions from a fiery debut to more mature and understated follow ups, the debut tends to be the far superior version of the band.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
i was v surprised that my favorite rock record from last year (manchester orchestra) actually turned out to be kind of a successful rock record too
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link