the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.
I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.
xps
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.
The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
Can't think of any.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.
― everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."
― Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM
We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
you could make a dud list for most anybody
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
i remember Howard Stern once had a guy on who claimed it was ok to drink your own urine and he did it daily, so they had the guy pee in a cup and drink it to prove it. it was pretty clear he was not very used to drinking his own urine.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood
― flopson, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
yes
99% of the music criticism on ILM is actually bad sociology
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
apollonian >>> dionysian
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
xp - rude
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
90% of piano ballads suck
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
This is very, very good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhYXLVYQJ8
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
controversial opinion: randy meisner sings "take it to the limit" better than etta james
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
we definitely need another one of these threads
lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*
Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
xxp humblebrag much, lol
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
man i love Steely Dan so much
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
three chords and the truth, that's all you really need
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
that's a quote about classic country songwriting, tbf
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
Joy Division was the best band of all times. In the early days of ILM this was less controversial, I think.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
what is "yacht rock"
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
http://www.yachtrock.com/yacht-or-nyacht-jay-gradient/
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
iirc early ilm was full of very clever ppl saying ian curtis sounded like kermit the frog and that their lyrics were bad. it would prob be hard to find a single "challenging opinion" that hasn't been aired on ilm at least once over the years.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
there's always a dumber take
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link
Everything ever recorded by The Clash is absolute garbage until Cut The Crap
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
I think we had trouble finding someone who disliked Joy Division in the early ILM days!
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
Jesus Christ, no, that song is an outrage.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
phish are better than the grateful dead
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link
Björk's voice is horrendous
― flappy bird, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
I'm willing to accept this as long as I don't have to listen to find out.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
Post Malone got tunes, man
― alpine static, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Friday, September 7, 2018 6:44 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this take gains some heat coming from ilm's biggest smashing pumpkins fan
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
real hedz kno that best roxy-karaoke practice is to screw up yr eyes as u bellow-emote "GROWING POTATOES BY THE SCORE"
― mark s, Monday, 8 April 2024 14:02 (one week ago) link
The version on the Babylon Berlin soundtrack is so good.
― beard papa, Monday, 8 April 2024 16:02 (one week ago) link
Money Mark? I chatted with his kid at a coffeshop here in Ams a couple of summers ago.
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:55 (one week ago) link
(maybe that belonged in the name-dropping thread)
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:56 (one week ago) link
"Lean On Me" is the single most overrated song of the 1970s
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:10 (six days ago) link
Maybe not most, but def vastly overrated. Always flip the station when that comes on, and that goes for the Timex Social Club version too.
― henry s, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:12 (six days ago) link
its just overplayed.
― scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:28 (six days ago) link
my dad has an al jarreau cd that he plays at night and i can hear al's version from my dad's bedroom sometime and i kinda always wonder why al jarreau felt he had to cover a massive 70s hit IN the 70s. its not that different. he did a whole album of bill withers in the late 70s. but my dad just has it on a best-of.
― scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:30 (six days ago) link
practically alone among early 90s pop rave hits i don't think i get bassomatic's fascinating rhythm
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 14 April 2024 22:28 (six days ago) link
should "Lean On Me" replace "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the US national anthem?
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 15 April 2024 01:06 (five days ago) link
should “lean back” replace “the star spangled banner” as the US national anthem?
― brimstead, Monday, 15 April 2024 04:06 (five days ago) link
appropriately sampled by real lies for 'one club town'
― Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Monday, 15 April 2024 06:41 (five days ago) link
I buy and enjoy about 75% of International Anthem's releases but I can't believe people take Carlos Niño seriously
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 15 April 2024 12:24 (five days ago) link
dying at the CPAC rendition upthread which I somehow missed. holy shit.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:46 (five days ago) link
oops wrong thread