All duos are terrible.
― coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
All solo artists are cowards.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
lol
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
All trios are Norwegian.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
All ILM posters are liars
― jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
jmm otm
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
the eagles are good
i can't tell you why is really good
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
that's not controversial, it's just wrong
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.
I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.
xps
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.
The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
Can't think of any.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.
― everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."
― Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM
We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
you could make a dud list for most anybody
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
i remember Howard Stern once had a guy on who claimed it was ok to drink your own urine and he did it daily, so they had the guy pee in a cup and drink it to prove it. it was pretty clear he was not very used to drinking his own urine.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood
― flopson, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
yes
99% of the music criticism on ILM is actually bad sociology
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
apollonian >>> dionysian
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
xp - rude
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
90% of piano ballads suck
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
This is very, very good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhYXLVYQJ8
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
controversial opinion: randy meisner sings "take it to the limit" better than etta james
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
we definitely need another one of these threads
lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*
Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
xxp humblebrag much, lol
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
man i love Steely Dan so much
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
three chords and the truth, that's all you really need
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
that's a quote about classic country songwriting, tbf
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
Joy Division was the best band of all times. In the early days of ILM this was less controversial, I think.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
nah Hello Nasty is their best, I think it's wildly creative album, hard to even tag it as 'hip hop' really
not really a fan of the ones after that - when that anthology came out it was strongly implied they were retiring. their live shows at least still ruled.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 19:57 (two weeks ago) link
I think the Beastie Boys did update their rap style after Paul's Boutique. Their first two albums have a lot of the group-focused approach where they trade single lines back and forth, one guy setting up a rhyme and another finishing it. On Check Your Head and Ill Communication, they did a lot less of that, and lot more taking turns reciting sets of their own lines. Four bars of just MCA, then four of just Mike D, etc. CYH and IC also have a lot less of the move where everybody shouts the word at the end of a line. I suspect both shifts were influenced by the way rap had changed in general by that point.
It's not that the first two albums have no songs where one guy raps a bunch of lines in a row, or that the next two have none of the old school group-focused approach. But there's a clear trend. Compare "Brass Monkey" and "Shadrach" with "So Watcha Want" and "Sure Shot".
Then they shifted back on Hello Nasty, which is interesting. It seems more self-consciously retro at that point.
― JRN, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:42 (two weeks ago) link
After that they just paid a bunch of A-list producers to prop up the same old shit
I don't think the Beastie Boys ever used an A-list producer after Rick Rubin, outside of a remix here and there. Unless you count the Dust Brothers because of their stuff with Tone Loc.
― JRN, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 21:52 (two weeks ago) link
yeah I think they are largely self produced after Pauls
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 22:09 (two weeks ago) link
You're right. I should have looked that up before posting. I don't know why I thought that was the case. I think I also overstated Money Mark's involvement on "In Sound".
― beard papa, Thursday, 4 April 2024 00:10 (two weeks ago) link
i think that constant self-improvement as musicians (NOT rappers lol) is part of what helped their enduring goodwill among fans+colleagues. also, personal opinions about some of its topics aside, they mostly made really positive vibe music. same kinda energy as people like biz markie.
(note to self: de la soul collabed with both the beasties+biz.)
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Thursday, 4 April 2024 00:19 (two weeks ago) link
"dance away" is annoying, bry stop whining challenge
― mark s, Monday, 8 April 2024 13:02 (one week ago) link
barry white sang it better
― ledge, Monday, 8 April 2024 13:20 (one week ago) link
My mum loved that song - and Bryan Ferry, frankly - so I must disagree.
― Hunky Tory (Tom D.), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:44 (one week ago) link
out of reach is out of touch
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:48 (one week ago) link
he shd have stuck to doxxing her car's numberplate imo
― mark s, Monday, 8 April 2024 13:55 (one week ago) link
It goes over well at karaoke, despite American audiences not having a clue what it is; and I like the weird dissonant bass pokes in the verses.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2024 13:58 (one week ago) link
real hedz kno that best roxy-karaoke practice is to screw up yr eyes as u bellow-emote "GROWING POTATOES BY THE SCORE"
― mark s, Monday, 8 April 2024 14:02 (one week ago) link
The version on the Babylon Berlin soundtrack is so good.
― beard papa, Monday, 8 April 2024 16:02 (one week ago) link
Money Mark? I chatted with his kid at a coffeshop here in Ams a couple of summers ago.
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:55 (one week ago) link
(maybe that belonged in the name-dropping thread)
― completely suited to the horny decadence (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:56 (one week ago) link
"Lean On Me" is the single most overrated song of the 1970s
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:10 (four days ago) link
Maybe not most, but def vastly overrated. Always flip the station when that comes on, and that goes for the Timex Social Club version too.
― henry s, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:12 (four days ago) link
its just overplayed.
― scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:28 (four days ago) link
my dad has an al jarreau cd that he plays at night and i can hear al's version from my dad's bedroom sometime and i kinda always wonder why al jarreau felt he had to cover a massive 70s hit IN the 70s. its not that different. he did a whole album of bill withers in the late 70s. but my dad just has it on a best-of.
― scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:30 (four days ago) link
practically alone among early 90s pop rave hits i don't think i get bassomatic's fascinating rhythm
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 14 April 2024 22:28 (four days ago) link
should "Lean On Me" replace "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the US national anthem?
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 15 April 2024 01:06 (three days ago) link
should “lean back” replace “the star spangled banner” as the US national anthem?
― brimstead, Monday, 15 April 2024 04:06 (three days ago) link
appropriately sampled by real lies for 'one club town'
― Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Monday, 15 April 2024 06:41 (three days ago) link
I buy and enjoy about 75% of International Anthem's releases but I can't believe people take Carlos Niño seriously
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 15 April 2024 12:24 (three days ago) link
dying at the CPAC rendition upthread which I somehow missed. holy shit.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:46 (three days ago) link
oops wrong thread