more like blands amirite
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link
Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.
― pomenitul, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
All duos are terrible.
― coetzee.cx (wins), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
All solo artists are cowards.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
lol
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
All trios are Norwegian.
― I Don't Have Any Ears, I Am Positive (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
All ILM posters are liars
― jmm, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
jmm otm
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
the eagles are good
i can't tell you why is really good
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
that's not controversial, it's just wrong
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link
High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.
I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.
xps
― Evan, Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.
The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
Can't think of any.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?
― Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.
― everything, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."
― Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM
We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
you could make a dud list for most anybody
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
i remember Howard Stern once had a guy on who claimed it was ok to drink your own urine and he did it daily, so they had the guy pee in a cup and drink it to prove it. it was pretty clear he was not very used to drinking his own urine.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood
― flopson, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
yes
99% of the music criticism on ILM is actually bad sociology
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
apollonian >>> dionysian
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
xp - rude
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
90% of piano ballads suck
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
This is very, very good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhYXLVYQJ8
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link
controversial opinion: randy meisner sings "take it to the limit" better than etta james
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
we definitely need another one of these threads
lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*
Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
xxp humblebrag much, lol
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
man i love Steely Dan so much
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
they were like rock critic major.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 18:05 (two days ago) link
people should listen to those SRC albums more. they were so cool.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 18:12 (two days ago) link
the big question is: Frijid Pink -vs- Frost. its like they were the same band! i refuse to choose. i like them both a lot.
― scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 18:15 (two days ago) link
you must choose, scott. it takes 5 seconds, 5 seconds of decision.
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:26 (two days ago) link
They were a bunch of swell guys.
― Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:31 (two days ago) link
Here's two:
- the best MC5 album is High Time- Robert Plant's first couple of solo albums are probably at least as good as what Zeppelin might have released if they'd stayed together
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 22 April 2024 18:49 (two days ago) link
That's not controversial!
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 22:34 (two days ago) link
Spending the afternoon w/many of the 1999 and SOOT outtakes, I realized: as much as I like or love most of these tracks, I don't want them on the original studio albums. This judgment also applies to Smiths, Pet Shop Boys, Suede, or any other act that recorded exemplary B-sides. Keep the okay or bad songs on the original albums.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 22:35 (two days ago) link
I don’t know where else to post about this, but I’ve seen many incredible shows in the past year, some all-timers, Bernice Trio at The Tranzac being the most recent mind-blower
But last night I may have seen the best live set in my life? Coupled with the fact that it happened in an arena, where music goes to suck shit? But it was amazing and it was Jacob Collier and Kimbra. I don’t know how to describe how amazing this show is, the songs are treacly garbage, the choice of covers laugh-worthy (“Fix You” ffs??) but I was pummelled by so many spectacular modulations and ridiculous solos that I submitted and was transported. “He’s G-rated Zappa”, I said, which it basically is, except better than Zappa in every regard.
I’ve always thought that the escalation in popularity of certain music trends was a response to the saturated environment we live in— electroacoustic is like popular now, people stan Grouper all the time and some of that music is just pure noise drone— I believe Collier is benefitting from the other end of the spectrum, maybe; that our ears are thirsting for music that modulates.
The weak link (aside from the consistently insipid songwriting) is the dude’s voice, but he’s got one of those voices that improves with age. I fully expect this guy to be his generation’s Stevie Wonder except perhaps even more popular
― Drowning in TG, he sent me Discipline (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 15:32 (yesterday) link
My guitarist friend I was with tells me “the albums are so terrible”, that any possibility for soulfulness is quantized out of the picture.
He did “A Bridge Over Troubled Water” entirely on a vocoded Prophet synth and for the first time I heard a use for that bizarre glide-on-a-polysynth feature and it was profoundly moving
About a quarter of the show was being run like choir practice, he treated the audience like a class. It was fun! I miss being in a choir. He played us like an organ to provide accompaniment for fucking “Fix You” and it was shockingly good. Had us singing a cappella for a couple minutes and then went to the piano and I said “no no no it can’t be” but yes, we collectively hadn’t dropped pitch even a cent, we’d stayed in tune, like he’d just transmitted a mist of his own talents on to us. I shook my head saying “wow this is just magical” because it was!
My guitarist friend said “he makes a VST plugin of his audience choir stuff” and I said “I’m buying it tomorrow”
― Drowning in TG, he sent me Discipline (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 15:39 (yesterday) link
it sounds horrible! but i'm glad you had a good time. i do remember this kid from those videos of him doing all the parts to songs. i was so glad that he wasn't my kid. but its cool that he is still doing it? maybe?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 15:49 (yesterday) link
Honestly Scott I recommend everyone going, the bigger the skeptic you are, the better.
Last night was his first show of the tour I guess? But he did play Troubled Water somewhere, solo, a week ago, this performance wasn’t as good as he was last night but it is still crazy good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADvrlGLCO8
Like I was in a room with 8000 people in rapt silence while this was happening. He was getting standing ovations repeatedly just during the set and I was absolutely one of the ones on my feet
Maybe the corniness of it all just gets diluted once you’re seeing it in person. Like sports!
― Drowning in TG, he sent me Discipline (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 16:17 (yesterday) link
Haha my god
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkKMJ6DCZQ
It’s a homemade harmonizer! “Oh, yeah you can see it was signed by Herbie Hancock, there. And Quincy Jones, there.”
― Drowning in TG, he sent me Discipline (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 17:04 (yesterday) link
this reminds me I saw DOMi & JD Beck last year (my kid wanted to go, they opened for Polyphia, who are wanky) and that was one hell of a set. I can't see myself listening to these two's record(s), but that was a really good live set; incredibly impressive chops on these really young people, dumb sense of humor, they played a Weather Report song that had an auditorium of gen z people grooving. Weird!!!!
there are some good young musicians out there.their stuff isn't always my bad but it's cool to see young people doing interesting stuff.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 17:09 (yesterday) link
i shouldn't sound so mean. it is nice that so many people like it. maybe i would like it if i saw it live!
― scott seward, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:16 (yesterday) link
No Scott it’s ok that you were being mean! I was too. All I knew about Collier was those impressive-but-dorky happy new year videos that I’d share with friends in a mocking way. He just seemed to me like a musical Wesley Crusher. I would’ve never gone to his show except for Kimbra opening! And I had a blast! Idk it makes me feel really good that this is the kind of shit normal people are getting into
― Drowning in TG, he sent me Discipline (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:20 (yesterday) link
lolll @ "a musical Wesley Crusher"
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:09 (yesterday) link
I was also v amused
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:12 (yesterday) link
Haven't formed an opinion on this yet, but it's just nice to see this thread used for "this thing people hate is good actually" rather than "this thing people like is bad actually"
― This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:15 (yesterday) link
collier is basically all chops no songwriting but it's funny how much he really tries, his songs have all this ambitious proggy modulation in a relatively pop format but then none of it actually comes together in a compelling way. i can imagine he comes across a bit better live though since you can just appreciate his crazy chops and he makes up for his lack of songwriting ability with a bunch of covers. covering "fix you" is part of the problem though - he has no taste! his harmonizer is rather cool though, iirc bon iver use something similar
― ufo, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:30 (yesterday) link
he has no taste! his harmonizer is rather cool though, iirc bon iver use something similar
robot voice: dOeS nOt cOmPuTe
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:31 (yesterday) link
the tech is cool, collier is not!
― ufo, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:35 (yesterday) link
collier is basically all chops no songwriting but it's funny how much he really tries, his songs have all this ambitious proggy modulation in a relatively pop format but then none of it actually comes together in a compelling way.
Controversial music opinion: he sounds like this generation's Todd Rundgren
― prog ain't no religious cult (Matt #2), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 23:02 (yesterday) link
he's much more 'normie' than rundgren
― ufo, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 23:08 (yesterday) link
Norm Rundgren. Todd's little cousin.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 23:35 (yesterday) link
Kataklysm suck.
My contribution to the thread
― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 23:58 (yesterday) link
I fully expect this guy to be his generation’s Stevie Wonder except perhaps even more popular
I don't see that happening given that he is essentially the age Stevie Wonder was when he made Hotter in July.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 01:25 (six hours ago) link
Norm Rundgren. Todd's little cousin.― scott seward, Tuesday, April 23, 2024 4:35 PM
― scott seward, Tuesday, April 23, 2024 4:35 PM
"norm rundcore." todd's little cousin's smarty pants power pop band.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 01:35 (six hours ago) link
sorry we're venturing off into The most interesting pieces of pop music trivia that you know (that are 100% false) territory but, otoh, #onethread
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 01:36 (six hours ago) link
that thread, forgot if ever knowed by me, made me laugh a little, ty
― schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 03:11 (four hours ago) link