The Mountain Goats

ok that's pretty good lol

How did I miss this cover from 2016?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KVTp0A1pqE

Do we talk about the call-out post floating around?

*searches twitter* This does not, to me, rise to the level of a thing that bears talking about as like a news item.

That is because it is not a news item, but that does not necessarily mean it is not worth talking about (though obviously this thread may not be the most receptive).

My reaction is that I would have to hear from j0hn about it, which is a response that tends to raise my own eyebrows in most circumstances, but I am hopelessly compromised here, as I am both a fan and someone who sees him being a good friend to many of my friends.

That's fair. I struggled to parse the exact reason for the claimant having posted it at all but I could be missing something.

i think this explains it well enough

I read that dumb thing three times and can't figure out what the hell OP thinks tMG did that was worth posting about.

Me neither

His obsessive fans are really weird ime

it's stupid and not worth taking seriously

Solid thoughts. Might be worth reading Eric’s link, all the same.

tl;dr plz anyone

Like, being a Mountain Goats fan would not, to me, suggest that ‘really weird’ means ‘take less care’.

Tumblr user/tMG fan reports feeling manipulated/emotionally taken advantage of by j0hn D over twitter DM over a period of months, after having met and hung after a concert. Produces screenshots of conversations. xp

I was hoping that this thread was revived because of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5-lBv_X_yA

But instead there's skulduggery. Boo.

That Sex Pistols cover fucking rules and so does Erik Rutan!

I am probably not going to give the most "woke" take on the JD deal but reading it made me pine for the times when the most interaction a musician and fan expected from one another was a blow job.

i gotta say you could've not posted that

If me being glib causes people to miss the point, I guess that's on me. The point I am making shouldn't be too controversial: The dynamics of celebrity and fans are a lot different than they were not very long ago. This shit didn't happen to Pamela Des Barres or Cynthia Plaster Caster.

Xp The Rod Stewart thing was a myth, dude

it was nice to hear tMG at the end of that skater documentary on Hulu. The name of which escapes me right now.

tumbler people are weirdos

I wish Tumblr call-outs were available to fixated fans in the 80s and 90s, maybe John Lennon and Selena would still be alive

my takeaway is NEVER BE NICE OR MEET ANYONE EVER

sorry if this is not supportive but finding that tumblr 'call out' post (which was easy) jsut makes me think the writer is crazy and frankly a bit scary. the worship shit is ... jesus dude, calm the fuck down.

just because someone is nice to you doesn't mean they are going to save you. WTF did you want?

I'd like to point out that several takes here (and elsewhere) are a lot more dismissive of the power dynamic involved than I ever was and I firmly expect everyone who decided that me saying "blow job" was insensitive to be even more outraged.

oh boy i thought you were so insensitive when you said "blow job"

fuck off

i've got thoughts about this that are more complicated than "wow that tumblr person sure is [x]" that i haven't entirely disentangled yet but if you're pining for even more boundariless years of fan/artist relationships then idk what to tell you, read the fucking weinstein thread

what a gross and stupid and unnecessary thing to say and then get fucking defensive about

Me thinks the Princess protests too much for someone calling others "defensive."

But hate-post again, please. Extra spittle if you please.

Wow cool poster

I am probably not going to give the most "woke" take

a solid sign you should stop typing

You're right, I should have let the comment stand without the disclaimer.

Bringing up Weinstein in this matter is a sign you should never have typed in the first place. False equivalence gave us Donald Trump, you know.

jfcnative

can there be a trump corollary to godwin's law

i've got thoughts about this that are more complicated

I elaborated when I said "The dynamics of celebrity and fans are a lot different than they were not very long ago." You ignored that. If you'd rather just be outraged, I can't tell you not to be. Your choice of target is a head-scratcher I will concede.

It’s cool that this discussion about a community member of ours being called out for some possibly questionable behavior is now about some rando insulting people

i was fine with that explanation until you were a shithead about my complaint just a few minutes later!!!! xp

NYCNative is a longtime poster iirc

it's true

We can compare that questionable behavior of the community member of ours to what Harvey Weinstein did instead.

Why isn't that more offensive than an offhand reference to consensual oral sex?

no good is gonna come of this discussion

i was about to apologize for misreading your v poorly-written initial post but xp

i also now hate that i told you to read a thread on ile about abuses of power

I have zero desire to fight, believe it or not. And maybe I am on edge because a friend I have known for 30 years died last night. If so, I apologize. Whatever, I'll bow out.

i am very sorry about that <3

also one of the reasons i haven't actually organized my thoughts about this is bc it involves someone who posts here, and it'd be very difficult to do it as carefully as i want without feeling i was applying a microscope to the interpersonal dynamic of one person who i sorta know through the internet and one person i don't know at all

Here’s my take after thinking about this this morning: if the screencapped conversations from OP with j0hn are real and there’s no reason to presume they’re faked, j0hn certainly laid some kind of emotional burden over a period of time on a much younger fan after meeting once after a show. This is an irresponsible thing for anyone to do, dropping emotional need bombs in private communications with a less mature near-stranger. If there is indeed a pattern of this behavior (and this is by no means clear) it’s something that j0hn should find a forum to own up to and address how he will stop doing it, because the power differential in being an older artist who a lot of young fans really look up to means that he is unlikely to be in a properly reciprocal friendship with anyone very young he meets after a show.

That said: Difficult relationships are a thing that can happen and leave people badly hurt, and I don’t think that’s a scandal.

I'll walk back my prior dismissiveness on this after some thought. I can see how this can be complicated. it's not clear to me from the screenshots what was so emotional or burdensome about it, but in the abstract, I can imagine something like this being weird to navigate. Probably unfair for me to just slam hero worshipping fans as well; obviously they exist, and even if I just think of j0hn as someone I know from ILX and FB some shows and book readings and not some savior, it's obvious some people do think that way.