I know that's not really how Comedy Cellar works.
But yeah, it doesn't matter how that club functions, he doesn't give a shit and that's abhorrent.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
Yeah, he could have just worked another club where that isn't an issue.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
wow mo ryan goes inhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/louis-ck-has-clearly-learned-nothing-im-done-guest-column-1138704
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
great piece
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
yeah, lays it all out there
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
the "public persona as con" angle is otm
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Jesus fuckin christ the rape whistle jokes.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
not about CK, but the only room I know of that announces "names" doing new is Giant Dwarf, and they charge punters double what regular rooms do for the privilege. this is not a better way of doing things. how many of the rooms you go to even list everyone who's going up that night at the door, let alone in advance?
about CK: he shouldn't have done bland material after his time away. he shouldn't have done rape whistle jokes. he should have had empathy for other people that would be in the venue. he probably shouldn't be going back onstage in any circumstances. but if he HAD been introspective, if he HAD examined what a horrible destructive prick he was, if he WAS writing something that tore down his previous work and advanced better viewpoints or shouted out and raised up his victims, it wouldn't be better if he were charging $30 a ticket in advance to watch him write it.
anyway we should all shut up except for Mo Ryan, Jen Kirkman, and any of the other victims whose names we don't remember for bad reasons, instead of talking about this masturbating thumb man
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
Truly excellent article. It doesn't matter one bit that "that's not how the comedy cellar works", it seems that to be a woman on that ocasion, in that cellar, in that circumstance is to submit. There's no room for anyone, any woman particularly, to be the dissenting voice in that space for fear of reprisals and at the risk of abuse, further abuse than the abuse already inflicted on the woman in the audience by simply being there at the wrong time.
http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/louis-ck-comedy-cellar-women-describe-rape-whistle-joke.html
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
@NoamDworman you've been trying for 9 months to poke holes in our story and it's getting really painful. Critically think about this- After a late show at a comedy festival that you worked your ass off to get in to, all the bars are closed, and the headliner who we thought we had— Dana & Julia (@DanaAndJulia) August 31, 2018
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 31 August 2018 00:57 (five years ago) link
I've known Mo for years - she was my first real editor - and I love how she finally seems to have found a high-profile platform. It's only made her voice and writing better.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 August 2018 01:16 (five years ago) link
A podcast I used to do had her on as a guest once or twice and she was always just the nicest.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link
(Not something I can say about all the American critics/writers we had on who have gone on to bigger and better things.)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link
I posted it on another thread, but Aziz recently did a small comedy club here. They sent out an email to their mailing list the day before, no press, just saying he was "working out new material" (then he did the same thing a couple days later at a large theater here, still zero press). So at least in that case people could choose whether they wanted to see/support him or not.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
the aziz ansari situation is not remotely similar honestly
― 🦅 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link
i'm not an aziz defender and i would be happy if his career is over because his show sucks, but i don't think it does anyone any favors to compare that strange, ambiguous situation with a guy who repeatedly exposed himself to fellow comics and then pressured them to stay quiet.
― 🦅 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 31 August 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
I'm not comparing, I'm just saying that's probably a better approach than showing up unannounced at a club (assuming that he's going to return to stand-up no matter what)
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 August 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
yeah, he can fuck off and die. this shouldn't even be a question.
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― yes, said (Ross), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
These surprise appearances by Louis CK keep getting worse https://t.co/N3B0OfjBJ0— andi zeisler (@andizeisler) August 31, 2018
― frogbs, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/arts/louis-ck-comedy-cellar.amp.html
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
Many club owners in New York, with an eye on ticket sales, said they would welcome him back.
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
i mean this isn't a bombshell or anything but the driving force behind these shitheads returning to the public eye is always people who know they're gonna make a shitload of money
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
yup :(
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
I'm honestly okay with that. Fuck every asshole who books him or buys a ticket, they've shown that they're awful human beings, but... That's kinda good to know?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
“So what kind of year have you guys had?” Louis C.K. said, starting off his set. “They tell you that when you get in trouble you find out who your real friends are. It’s black people, it turns out. They’ll stick by you.”
jfc fuck this asshole
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
fuck him for sure, but that is presumably a set-up, not a policy statement. as reporting, it's the equivalent of that horrendous Edinburgh Fringe thread every year.
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
I lol'd
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
i'm not particularly concerned about louis ck's livelihood or career but trying to understand the viewpoint here. is there a certain point where he can come back? does he have to make some specific penance or reparations?
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
he should give all those women he assaulted (and whose careers he affected) a shit-ton of money, make a public effort at apologizing/rectifying the damage he did, and commit to supporting groups that help women recover from this kind of thing
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
imo
as someone who was pretty invested in his stuff at one point I would like to have seen a little more contrition/acknowledgement beyond the statement he made right before he went away. since he reappeared it seems to have been a string of woe-is-me jokes. lots of people have written about things people could hypothetically do as amends and they've been linked plenty of times on the Weinstein thread.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
Οὖτις's suggestions there are a fine start
and since he's already trying to come back without having done almost any of those things, he can fuck off forever imo
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
got it.i have to suspect based on his statement way back ("thought it was fine but i mighta been abusing my power"), no statement since, that he hasn't grappled with his own issues / doesn't see the acts as bad but grudgingly forces himself to feel guilty at least in public about some abstract power thing which is easier to deal with.by that i mean, yeah beating in front of women isn't something that condemns you to the blacklist for life, but i think he's probably still a dangerous man.
― XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
this whole thing reminds me of like when Elvis Costello just kept it moving after the whole N-word thing until everyone just forgot about it. Basically Louis might just be "tweeting through it" as it were
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
Except none of that first sentence happened?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
Get Happy!! (1980)Trust (1981)Almost Blue (1981)Imperial Bedroom (1982)Punch the Clock (1983)Goodbye Cruel World (1984)Plus the Taking Liberties B-side comp...
Keeping it moving^
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
Elvis totally apologized for that wtf
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
xp Oh, okay sure - but an album a year was his speed up to then too? I read you as saying that he refused to talk about it which is, uh, not the case.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
yeah he totally talked about it - in interviews, in publicly issued apologies - and then immediately afterwards produced the Specials' first album
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
and people definitely didn't "forget about it"
and the analogy sucks
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
also a public utterance /= actual assault or ruining anyone's career
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
https://greilmarcus.net/2015/01/15/elvis-costello-explains-himself-090282/
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
love this new "I am very bad at comparing things to other things" gimmick that Whiney's trying on here
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
new?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
oh he's had some good ones in the past but he's clearly in his Goodbye Cruel World phase now
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
ok lol
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
He apologized and kept it moving, Louis also apologized and now is keeping it moving
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Unlike, say, Michael Richards, who apologized and fell of the face of the earth
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link