defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

seems a fair assessment

yes great post

Reading the article reminded me, for the hundredth time this year at least, that cynics are really soured romantics, and some of the factual mistakes on which Greenwald's corrected, not to mention the dogmatism, are the sort of thing I expect from twenty-five-year-olds who won't let a point go. I don't believe he's a Russian plant or a nefarious agent, but when a resourceful pundit and expert synthesist of data like Greenwald still implies that Trump's election was a required shock to the system, I think, "Well, great, buddy, I understand why you live in Brazil with your twenty-four dogs and flip-flops."

That an intelligent person of good conscience and progressive voting record could believe that American greatness is a bunch of bullshit yet still (a) vote for Clinton (b) think American republicanism did not need the shock to the system incarnated in Trump has not occurred to him.

yes all of that otm

needed vs deserved

http://i.imgur.com/yBjBb.jpg

Thought you were a lapsed Catholic Morbs.

Anyway, I've read Greenwald since 2004. On my own blogging he was a formidable and formative influence; when I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 I had him to thank for the psychological ballast. But, as good king Don Henley said, don't look back, you can never look back.

there is a sizeable slice of the Dem rank-and-file who are fantasizing about Biden/Booker/Harris 2020 so they can, as Dennis Perrin says, go right back to sleep.

I agree w j0rdan.

I have no way of gauging the rank-and-file, whom I often assume are synonymous with "DNC."

no such thing as "Dem rank and file." that would imply a proper party-ness they do not possess

Its like if the dude who kept warning us about the impacts of climate change wont stop sounding celebratory that miami is underwater or complaining about the history of the arriving fema trailers.

And also the hurricane is a racist sexist fascist sentient storm.

Ok that is some bad analogism still, fuck that guy

im dying that morbs still brings up dennis perrin

GG seems not too far removed from d’souza-style ‘lincoln was a republican/dems are the real racists’ arguments. that troll life has got him in its sway

also the thing with the tennys player is just weird

j0rd, meet me in DC and we can have lunch with him :)

also this is my last post in this thread, it's been cancer

lol ok doc

greil marcus weighs in:

I think there are strong reasons to believe that Glenn Greenwald, like Edward Snowden, is either a Russian agent or an agent of influence—someone who believes he or she is operating independently but for various reasons, which could involve apparently independent financing or patronage, access to privileged information, facilitation through cut outs, and so on, is in fact promoting stories, arguments, individuals, and policies his or her controllers want promoted. The argument that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is, from either a right or left perspective, lunacy—unless you believe there is no difference between the US and Russia, which is to say that you believe that democracy, as practiced in the US and much of the West, is a hoax, and that politics is only a point-by-point choice between autocracies and kleptocracies.

When I read Greenwald in Salon, I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion, argument, statement of apparent fact, as if to say I KNOW YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME BUT LOOK AT THIS THE PROOF IS HERE YOU CAN’T DENY IT! I think that’s still an essential part of his political personality, but I think now there’s far more going on.

https://greilmarcus.net/ask-greil-2/

like Edward Snowden

stopped reading

Welcome back!

I thought he merely demonstrated textbook symptoms of paranoia, in particular over-sourcing every assertion

citations are for paranoids, blithe accusations of treason in unsupported subclauses are for rock critics

Tennis is really having a bad influence on him. He is anti-Serena as well, it seems.

Yeah he tweeted out some statistics showing that male tennis players have been more frequently penalized for Serena's transgressions than female players have. Then Nate Silver tweeted back that he was not taking into account the rate at which each sex is penalized - in other words maybe male players transgress far more often, which results in them being penalized more.

male tennis players have been more frequently penalized for Serena's transgressions than female players have

This is an...interesting argument (But probably a typo in there)

Or wait, you probably just mean penalized for doing things similar to whatever Serena did, sorry

Exactly. Sorry my bad

Ford’s own words regarding Feinstein’s decision deliberately ignored by Glenn so he can both sides the Dems with what the GOP did w Garland. Cool cool cool. Not at all an irredeemable piece of shit.

That must be maddening, watching expats support a fascist when they have no skin in the game. pic.twitter.com/S05bHbCpDB

— All Hallow’s Eve Not All Hallow’s Steve (@agraybee) October 8, 2018

lollll

Glenn's latest on Brazil where naturally he blames 'the establishment" more than Bolsonaro or those who support Bolsonaro's extremist views

To be sure – as is true of Trump, Brexit, and the rise of right-wing extremism throughout Europe – some substantial minority of Bolsonaro voters are motivated by classic bigotry, racism, anti-LGBT animus, resentment toward the indigenous population, and just a general tribal anger that seeks scapegoats for their plight. But many, probably most, are none of those things.

Many, instead, are motivated by legitimate grievances toward an establishment ruling class that has failed them on all levels, that expresses indifference if not outright contempt for their suffering and loss of hope, that they blame, often with good reason, for enacting policies that have destroyed their futures while refusing to accept any responsibility for it. And once that framework is adopted, any perceived enemy of that ruling class becomes their friend, or at least someone whose vows of destruction become more appealing than vows to preserve the system they justifiably despise (the reality is that Bolsonaro (like Trump), with his Chicago-trained neoliberal economic guru, will serve the economic interests of the establishment with great devotion at the expense of his working-class voters, but the perception of his anti-establishment animus is what matters).

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/08/brazils-bolsonaro-led-far-right-wins-a-victory-far-more-sweeping-and-dangerous-than-anyone-predicted-its-lessons-are-global/

that All Hallow's idiot is in Chappaqua, hmmmmmm

also this is my last post in this thread, it's been cancer

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 4:27 AM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Christ, u guys love these schoolyard callouts huh? *depantses Brad*

i post that that shit all the time, it's part of my fuckin routine, just like Nerdstrom's is being a paid DNC asshole

i would suggest the rest of you actually quit the thread, tho

Are you going to defend him or

excerpt above simply describes fascism; idk how else yall think it works unless it's just "people are hateful bigots and nothing can be done"

Shot shot chaser chaser etc etc pic.twitter.com/1tYEyJ0mR0

— Regina 🌊💪 (@regwag2003) October 8, 2018

Man if this keeps up he's going to have to move to a walled mansion in a *third* country

— asterix.asterix (@hashallthehash) October 8, 2018

This thread is one of the saddest things ever:

Do you guys want to see the most sad, petty & online man on this awful website?
Yesterday @CharlesPPierce rt'ed the great (& prescient) parody account, @GlemGreenwald. So fast forward to this morning, when "someone", out of the blue, creates a Charlies Pierce parody account pic.twitter.com/rGVniiaYTn

— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) November 24, 2018

yeah glenn's attempt at parody was pretty sad

yeah glenn's attempt at parody was pretty sad

Spoke too soon — now he's paying to promote his own tweets... that contain screenshots of... his own tweets. pic.twitter.com/01JUwSneks

— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) November 25, 2018

glennception

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtgtXF0VAAAriC5.jpg

whenever i see a poster on a bus stop for that dumb fantastic beasts film i keep reading it as "the crimes of Greenwald"

lol

same

Glenn do you think you’re ever bothered by trivial excesses

— Quinoa🖕Appropriator (@MattAlwaysWrong) December 5, 2018