oh, also, their one-off single backing waddy wachtel in '74 is good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh2KTuHuAxo
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 27 August 2018 00:56 (five years ago) link
People overlook the Cowsills "Hair" as one of the high points of 1960s US culture
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
But yeah, it does feel like a slept on top of the Zeitgeist ziggurat moment.Thanks for that Bridey Murphy single, rushomancy. Just found some background on it here:http://bapresley.com/silverthreads/music/bands/brideymurphy.html
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
But wait, on "The Rain, the Park, and Other Things" it's interesting how closely they duplicate the vocals of the original record in that live version... even though it's a different lead singer (Bob instead of Bill) and Susan is I assume doing the backing vocals that her mom did on the original.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 01:25 (five years ago) link
I kind of like them in competent-plus cover band mode (unless they recorded these tunes on the first go round and I am unaware of it)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHzRUViOpNA
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 01:30 (five years ago) link
Speaking of The Continental Drifters, did not know that John Cowsill was married to Vicki Petersonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZuXkGKed7I
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link
I did know that he played drums with Mike Love’s Beach Boys though, having heard an interview with him on WFMU once. He seems to have an affinity for songs that end with “-in’”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8URMr-5mfU
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 01:46 (five years ago) link
Will refrain from posting any more videos for the time being. Feel like the Cowsills own this thread, the Partridge Family was an okay comedy show with a musical setting in which the music was usually not that good.
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 02:05 (five years ago) link
Fully agree.
re "Hair," it was also their last single before the dad fired lead singer Bill Cowsill from the band - or Bill quit after some kind of confrontation depending on the story, which precipitated their commercial decline and ultimate demise. This is all recounted in the 2011 documentary Family Band which is strongly recommended.
― Josefa, Monday, 27 August 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
Will check it out, thanks
― The Vermilion Sand Reckoner (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 August 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
Susan performs a song she wrote with Barry when he visited her from The Great Beyond:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX-ypoT1QTs
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 05:13 (five years ago) link
This may look cheesy but Bob tells some really good stories and turns in some good performances, abetted by audience backing vlocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzRiGeZ3zZc
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 06:09 (five years ago) link
Ha, this is wonderful.
Didn't know the same guy wrote "Indian Lake" and "I Think I Love You."
― Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link
Yeah, me neither.
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
Okay, finally watched Family Band. Wow.
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 September 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
Also, found some raw footage for it here: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-cowsills.560328/page-7, along with some stuff that didn’t make the final cut.
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 September 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link
Yes, Family Band doc is so good! It’s a bit meandering & clearly a passion project BUT it’s such a sad & fascinating story. I had very little knowledge of their story at all aside from the songs I knew. Total eyeopener, and gave me a better appreciation for their talent. I ~super~ love ‘The Rain, The Park & Other Things’ <3
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:43 (five years ago) link
I don't know that there's a song that better sums up the 1960s zeitgeist than that (though I personally only remember the early '70s onward). But that song is heartbreaking even when Bob Cowsill performs it alone.
He's right when he says no one can tell the Cowsills' voices apart - they're just so similar.
― Josefa, Thursday, 6 September 2018 04:56 (five years ago) link
I think I can tell when John is singing on some later stuff, but yeah, otherwise it is difficult. Speaking of whom, here is an interesting interview with him from a Beach Boys site: http://bapresley.com/silverthreads/links/johnbbb.html
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 September 2018 10:10 (five years ago) link
One of the things that slowly led me back to them, along with trying to comprehend how John ended up in The Beach Boys and Susan ended up in The Continental Drifters and married to Peter Holsapple at the time, was this Tropicalia version of “The Rain, The Park, and Other Things” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9uzHcN4DSswhich I still find slightly charming, although not a patch on the pants of the original of course.
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 September 2018 11:54 (five years ago) link
the rain the park and other things youtube upthread made my day, i need to make a SUNSHINE AS FUCK tshirt.
― Hunt3r, Thursday, 6 September 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
Yeah the, um, Peel Session feel on that one is great.BTW, just listened to an a cappella version of that they put out this year and can safely recommend it to you guys as well.
― The Great Atomic Power Ballad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 September 2018 22:53 (five years ago) link
not a patch on the pants of the original
Come on! "I love the flower" forever.
― timellison, Thursday, 6 September 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
So in that video of "The Rain, The Park and Other Things" from the Billy Benefit concert it seems to me that Bob's twin brother Richard is playing conga, which the comments seem to confirm, along with the fact that the audio was sweetened after the fact.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
Might try to go see them in December.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:50 (five years ago) link
Yeah what was that part from the documentary, Richard was a promising drummer but the dad nixed the idea of him joining the group for some reason?
― Josefa, Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:53 (five years ago) link
They say he was the one who was most like the dad so the dad singled him out that much extra.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:55 (five years ago) link
FYI, the woman who directed Family Band has posted a lot of outtakes/raw footage on YouTube.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 02:58 (five years ago) link
And here's an interesting two-part interview with John that's not from to the documentaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9xaNslwvSM
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 03:55 (five years ago) link
Last record has some beauts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr4UKpKYpx0
― velko, Saturday, 8 September 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link
That album is good and very obscure, but then the whole run of We Can Fly, Captain Sad & His Ship of Fools, II x II, and On My Side is great. Can't vouch for the "in concert" LP from 1969, and the first album from '67 with "The Rain, the Park, and Other Things" has kind of a beginners' feel to it, so it's a bit lesser than the others.
― Josefa, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:53 (five years ago) link
In Concert is lots of covers plus the studio version of “Hair,” no?
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 10:40 (five years ago) link
man i'm just a sucker for the mellotron every time, already a great song but when the chamberlin showed up on "can you love" really pushed it over the top!
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link
Slightly weird when II x II shows up written Ii x Ii.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link
Right. Never actually heard it.
So is there good stuff in the Family Band outtakes? Anything illuminating?
― Josefa, Saturday, 8 September 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
i heard their version of "good vibrations" from it before i knew much of anything about them. i understand the song sets a high standard but they don't meet it.
not to derail but i quite like this version of "good vibrations" - they clearly put a lot of work into replicating the sound of the original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KqspzKO8AM
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 September 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
Nice. Balearic rock!
― Josefa, Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
More detail on Bud’s bad behavior, especially in the one called “Bud & Barbara,” if you needed any more. In some others you find out those rocks they are often seen crawling on were near a big house they lived in in Newport that Artie Kornfeld helped them get.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Wait I don’t think that house is in Newport maybe it’s in California, couldn’t quite tell where that was. Guess I need to watch more footage.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
iirc the partridge family was originally written for the cowsills family but they wanted to replace the mom with shirley jones in the show and the cowsills kids refused
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
also my wife is a HUGE cowsills fan, she ran a late 90s cowsills page/forum while in high school. i think she met all of them at one point or another.
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
Yeah, Bob Cowsill interviews Shirley Jones about that at one point. Although of course he says Bud was the one who mixed the deal because of that.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
So after watching all these footage I have
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
So after watching all these videos and all this footage I have decided that, although I like all the Cowsills a lot, the one I think is the coolest is John and the one I am the most like in personality is Paul.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
ah, see i wasnt sure the whole story, just half-remembering what my wife had said years ago
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 8 September 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
Paul is sort of the tetchy, combative one, right?
― Josefa, Saturday, 8 September 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
Yes, exactly. The difficult middle child.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
Although I’m not in the middle
And not always difficult
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
Bass on TRTP&OT sure sounds like Carol Kaye, but what I can see says it was recorded in NYC with Joe Mack/Joe Macho on bass.
― Cruel Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 September 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
https://youtu.be/PLBvPQAPl7w
― timellison, Thursday, 24 October 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
Watch what happens when they start in the wrong key:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqwsBq9yeW0
― Here Comes a Slightly Irregular (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 October 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
And the other one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-fQTetggZ4
― Here Comes a Slightly Irregular (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 October 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
I love them all but it always amazes how good baby brother John is.
This came up today and made me really happy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foepOwQlXpI
― Meet the Anti-Monks! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 November 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
i heard Hair the other day & it put me in such a good mood
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 November 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
:)
― Meet the Anti-Monks! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 November 2020 03:45 (three years ago) link
I was transfixed as a kid when one of the teenagers who worked in my dad's milk store (either Vince or Roman, I believe) had the radio on and knew all the words to "Indian Lake."
― clemenza, Sunday, 8 November 2020 02:27 (three years ago) link
But did he know all the words to “I Think I Love You”?
― Meet the Anti-Monks! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 8 November 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
I probably knew those myself at the time--we all did.
― clemenza, Sunday, 8 November 2020 04:03 (three years ago) link
This one just popped into my head, “You’re Not the Same Girl.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL1vbKD6Ry0
― Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 14:32 (one year ago) link
NOW AND THEN: The Smithereens with The Cowsillshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyl8GyB0jU8
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 19:52 (one year ago) link
From Omnivore:
http://omnivorerecordings.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Cowsills-Rhythm-Of-The-World-OV-503.jpg
The CowsillsRhythm Of The WorldRelease date: September 30, 2022DescriptionFirst new music from the band in nearly 30 years, includes 11 brand new songs written by the band....Now, nearly 30 years after their last recordings as a group, The Cowsills are returning with new music for the new world! Omnivore Recordings is proud to announce the release of Rhythm Of The World. Eleven brand new songs written by the band. The ambassadors of goodwill and love will be on the road through 2023 thrilling fans with their classic hits and soon to be new favorites! CD / DIGITAL TRACK LIST:YA GOTTA GET UP!LEND A HANDHAWKS ON THE LINEEVERY LITTLE SECRETNUCLEAR WINTERRHYTHM OF THE WORLDLARGO NIGHTSGOODBYE’S NOT FOREVERTHE LONG RUNTRY TO BELIEVE IT TOOKATRINACat: OV-503
DescriptionFirst new music from the band in nearly 30 years, includes 11 brand new songs written by the band....Now, nearly 30 years after their last recordings as a group, The Cowsills are returning with new music for the new world! Omnivore Recordings is proud to announce the release of Rhythm Of The World. Eleven brand new songs written by the band. The ambassadors of goodwill and love will be on the road through 2023 thrilling fans with their classic hits and soon to be new favorites!
CD / DIGITAL TRACK LIST:YA GOTTA GET UP!LEND A HANDHAWKS ON THE LINEEVERY LITTLE SECRETNUCLEAR WINTERRHYTHM OF THE WORLDLARGO NIGHTSGOODBYE’S NOT FOREVERTHE LONG RUNTRY TO BELIEVE IT TOOKATRINA
Cat: OV-503
http://omnivorerecordings.com/shop/rhythm-of-the-world/
― dow, Friday, 12 August 2022 20:52 (one year ago) link
nice!
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 12 August 2022 21:37 (one year ago) link
Yes. Assume “Katrina” is another song about Barry.
― My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 August 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link
And indeed it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N-QjC5-OOQ
― Misirlou Sunset (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 22:48 (one year ago) link
John Cowsill is out of the Beach Boys.
― The Lunatics (Have Taken Over the Elektra) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:40 (nine months ago) link
Oh wow, what happened? He was still listed in recent shows, like in May, at least.
I like Rhythm of The World, though the guys sing all the leads. Glad to have Susan in strong duet w xpost Freedy Johnston (see upthread for their album w Jon Dee Graham)---from his 2022 janglefest, Back On The Road To You, this is "The Power of Love," brothers and sisters:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN0O8AhAY5c
― dow, Friday, 7 July 2023 17:21 (nine months ago) link
Don’t know the details yet, just saw in some feed.
― The Lunatics (Have Taken Over the Elektra) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 July 2023 17:22 (nine months ago) link
hope he rejoins the 'sills.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 7 July 2023 22:15 (nine months ago) link
i wonder if mike love tried to involve him in trump rallies/benefits. though you'd think that ship had sailed.
― Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 7 July 2023 22:20 (nine months ago) link
John and another guy, ScotT Totten, who apparently was the musical director, were both let go.
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 01:20 (eight months ago) link
Susan's husband Russ is currently the drummer for The Cowsills and I think on package tours maybe there is some house band anyway.
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 01:21 (eight months ago) link
Let go from the Cowsills? That’s not right!
Btw I just saw him ponying around on stage with Vicki Bangle at the ‘Nuggets’ 50th Anniversary show
― Josefa, Sunday, 20 August 2023 01:28 (eight months ago) link
Awesome! I read that John was no longer with the Beach Boys, hopefully not also the Cowsills.
― dow, Sunday, 20 August 2023 03:09 (eight months ago) link
He hasn’t been associated with The Cowsills in years
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 03:17 (eight months ago) link
But he has been associated with his wife Vicki Peterson for quite a long time.
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 03:18 (eight months ago) link
So let go by the Beach Boys only then, just as I surmised. Yes! What relief.
― dow, Sunday, 20 August 2023 03:35 (eight months ago) link
He does sometimes seem to appear with his siblings, but it’s not very often at all and not expected.
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 03:40 (eight months ago) link
John anc Vicki apparently are living in NYC right now, but so far I have yet to cross paths with them.
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 12:16 (eight months ago) link
i love susan cowsill, I can't even imagine how weird it would be to sing in a band at 8 years old but she never stopped so, still sounds great too
she popped up singing backups while I was trying to find the definitive live "Welcome Back" (Kotter) which seems to be this, on youtube anyways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeHkC_w6kc
and then youtube was already open so had to listen to "Cocaine Drain" and then it was a cowsills evening
― Florin Cuchares, Sunday, 20 August 2023 15:49 (eight months ago) link
Susan became a really good singer but some of the early years kid sister stuff can be painful to watch, although I kind of feel bad even mentioning that.
― Zing Harvest (Has Surely Come) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 20 August 2023 16:34 (eight months ago) link