itt talk about the nba hall of fame

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lol

bball ref has him at 6.1% hof probability. feel like he's only in if you're grading him on a '60s celtics role player curve, but maybe the 2010s warriors role player curve is the same? his peak was as the best player on some mediocre but interesting sixers teams.

circles, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:57 (one year ago) link

Idk he was never top 25 in league was he? Feel like that's a requirement.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:17 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think he was in those prime years with phi, averaging around 20/5/5 + 2 steals and great defense.

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Thursday, 16 August 2018 00:10 (one year ago) link

Is Joe Johnson a hall of famer? Because he put up better numbers on better teams for a longer time.

I wouldn't put either of them in.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 16 August 2018 00:56 (one year ago) link

lmao come on iguodala is not a hall of famer

call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 August 2018 00:58 (one year ago) link

awards are great but you need to like, put up numbers to be a hall of famer

call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 August 2018 00:58 (one year ago) link

if you put someone at iggy's level in then you gotta put in, like, way way way too many people. like is sheed a hall of famer? elton brand? peja? one-time all-stars don't get into the hall at this point or it would be a crowded place.

Clay, Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:06 (one year ago) link

people are so uncomfortable with the hall of very good as a concept but all those guys have deserving places in it!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:08 (one year ago) link

if you played ball at a high level for 10+ years fans will remember you for the rest of their lives. that's fantastic and should be celebrated, but it doesn't put you in the h.o.f.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:09 (one year ago) link

The one-time all-star HOF is at Jamaal Magloire's house.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 16 August 2018 01:15 (one year ago) link

I’ll go contrary and say yes bc he had numbers as a yoot and transformed himself into a key role player for multiple title team

If it weren’t for t he finals mvp I’d say no

I also wouldn’t be mad if the final judgement is no and he’s in the hall of very good

gritty tigger reboot (agent hibachi), Friday, 17 August 2018 15:04 (one year ago) link

His importance to the second two warriors titles is obviously a lot lower and arguably doesn’t do a lot for him but I’m gonna allow it

gritty tigger reboot (agent hibachi), Friday, 17 August 2018 15:05 (one year ago) link

idk man they looked pretty rough without him in the rockets series. but i think he deserved 6moy two years back and that wouldve helped his case as well.

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Friday, 17 August 2018 16:23 (one year ago) link

He's very good, which is why he's in the hall of very good.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 17 August 2018 17:27 (one year ago) link

I agree. I think the Hall should be very restrictive and elite. Plus feel there should be an emotional quality to it, rather than just adding up stats and awards in some formula. Like I can't ever seen someone telling their kids/grandkids "Man, you should've seen Iguodala play in his prime, what a time to be alive..."

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 17 August 2018 17:43 (one year ago) link

As a promotional gimmick, the whole Hall of Fame gig has been a screaming success for baseball, football and basketball alike, kind of like the Oscars do for Hollywood. Even the players buy into it as a genuine honor. But, like the Oscars, the honors are bestowed according to no discernible rationale. Nobody needs the HOF to tell us that Kareem or Oscar Robertson were all-time greats and the borderline cases who get in or don't get in seem to do so pretty randomly. I pay almost no attention to it.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 17 August 2018 18:13 (one year ago) link

same, just something to shoot the shit about in the offseason

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Friday, 17 August 2018 18:16 (one year ago) link

Like I can't ever seen someone telling their kids/grandkids "Man, you should've seen Iguodala play in his prime, what a time to be alive..."

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, August 17, 2018 1:43 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark

lol

sprout god (lag∞n), Friday, 17 August 2018 20:09 (one year ago) link

it's true. but i probably wouldnt think that for like 60% of the players in the hall

InfoWarriors (Spottie), Friday, 17 August 2018 20:32 (one year ago) link

ts: ron harper vs andre iguodala

(i don't actually remember harper well)

circles, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:22 (one year ago) link

similar career arcs iirc both did numbers on blah to bad teams then aged into super role players on dynasties

sprout god (lag∞n), Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:26 (one year ago) link

yup. through the lens of the modern game iguodala is probably more valuable but zoom out and their careers look an awful lot alike.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:30 (one year ago) link

incidentally i voted for harp in our role player hall of fame....which i will eventually vote iguodala into assuming we are all still alive.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:31 (one year ago) link

dont think hes eligible

sprout god (lag∞n), Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:32 (one year ago) link

yeah he was an all-star once pretty sure that rules him out

Clay, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:35 (one year ago) link

oh true he made an allstar.

i'd be down w/opening that criteria up to guys who have made 1 allstar, maybe even 2 although i'd want to see a list.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:35 (one year ago) link

Robert Horry for the right place right time hall of fame.

Jeff, Saturday, 18 August 2018 01:36 (one year ago) link

'88-'89 cavs that won 57 games with harper, mark price, and brad daugherty all scoring ~19 ppg and lost in the first round to the bulls is basically the perfect hall of very good team.

circles, Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:12 (one year ago) link

lol, they also had larry nance sr.

circles, Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:14 (one year ago) link

lol

bball ref has him at 6.1% hof probability. feel like he's only in if you're grading him on a '60s celtics role player curve, but maybe the 2010s warriors role player curve is the same? his peak was as the best player on some mediocre but interesting sixers teams.

― circles, Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:57 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don’t forget best player on a not-mediocre and interesting 2012 nuggets team...

k3vin k., Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:18 (one year ago) link

yeah those interesting late 80s cavs teams are classic Very Good. ppl who were going nuts over that hawks team with 4 all-stars should have been thinking about the late 80s cavs. having read bob ryan and terry pluto's 48 minutes 60 times or so back in the day i will always have time for those teams.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:21 (one year ago) link

xpost

no joke a couple days ago this thread had me thinking that iggy might have finished more andre miller lobs that just about anyone and i found this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GItQ16QEY

circles, Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:24 (one year ago) link

god it is so painful to think about how that season ended and him going to the warriors the next year

k3vin k., Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:26 (one year ago) link

bball ref has him at 6.1% hof probability. feel like he's only in if you're grading him on a '60s celtics role player curve

his #1 comp on bbref is bob cousy (slightly more than a role player but still) so props to you for this

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 August 2018 03:26 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

lowe and howard beck talked about a lot of this on the newest lowe post. i didn't realize how weird and opaque the selection for the basketball hall is! like it's not even really public who's on the honors committee that votes on hof entry.

circles, Monday, 10 September 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

oh nice gonna check that

Machine Gunk Jelly (Spottie), Monday, 10 September 2018 02:36 (one year ago) link

the selection process makes the hof really un-fun to talk about tho i thought lowe and beck did as good as you can do.

call all destroyer, Monday, 10 September 2018 02:58 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

the media may speak it into existence
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/andre-iguodala-no-stats-hall-famer

easy ball shooter (Spottie), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 00:37 (six months ago) link


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