"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

Mirroring this post from the main politics thread:

Interesting article here positing that the whole "QAnon" conspiracy started life as a lefty/anarchist prank on gullible right-wing chuds but has taken on a life of its own.

of course Foucault's Pendulum had to become real eventually

He said: We know your bloodline; we know your genetics; We know everything about you and you are a perfect replacement for me.

And I said: No.

Eventually Baron Guy wearied of showing up in various dudes' houses in the middle of the night again and again and always getting rebuffed, and the Earth, Inc. dev team came up with a smartphone app, called Pinder, with which you can simply swipe on potential Druidic Councilmates with either a dextral or sinistral wave.

lol, a+

very charming sovereign citizen profiled in this thread

The So Cal Holy Fire is burning out of control in Orange County. 10,000+ acres have burned, and it's only 5% contained. The sheriff has arrested Forrest Clark, 51, on suspicion of arson. He threatened to burn everything down in a message to the sheriff a week earlier. pic.twitter.com/dWP4k1cIhe

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) August 10, 2018

this town ain't big enough for two Forrests

There’s some special people in that thread.

The people who believe to the RuSA alternative government believe that the real/de jure) US government ceased to exist in 1871 and that an imposter/de facto government has been in power ever since. pic.twitter.com/ZO7PqdJu78

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) August 10, 2018

all this talk of "pindar" keeps making me think of the moody blues

i don't like thinking about the moody blues

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article224221620.html

“The intent is never to scare anybody,” Roth told The Star. “The intent is never to freak anybody out."

maybe leave your gun at home then idk

Harper has been the subject of multiple protective orders in Oklahoma, accused of threatening people with a rifle and attempting to run his ex-wife off the road with his truck.

ah, there it is.

sort of weird that they frame it as a first amendment thing. like you're...peaceably assembling just outside the boundaries of a nuclear facility, i guess? i don't know how the rhetoric usually works.

In Australia, one of these cunts has just been gratifyingly done: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/geraldton-city-seizes-wayne-glew-land-for-non-payment-of-rates/10619944

Check out this twat

Unhappy pensioner who tried to cite Australian case law and William Pitt in defence against conviction has appeal delayed

In November John Timbrell pleaded not guilty to obstructing a police officer in Mitcheldean – despite freely admitting in court that he obstructed a police officer.

The 76-year-old told Cheltenham Magistrates’ Court a police arrest warrant is “fraudulent” if it does not have a wet seal.

Timbrell then described the officers as “badly trained dummies” who do not know the difference between ‘lawful’ and ‘legal’.

“Your rights as a police officer do not give you the authority to break common law,” he told PS Freeman.

“The fact a living man can refuse jurisdiction from a court is not known to many police officers.”

Timbrell then described the legal system as the “illegal system”.

Giving evidence to the court, PC Varden said: “I didn’t know what he was on about.”

Mr McCabe asked: “Did you use the internet in your research?”

“I am not going to be trapped into that,” Timbrell replied.

some of these need their internet taking off them

Looks like he missed a trick by not making use of the fact that the police officer he obstructed was named Freeman.

this is getting worse and worse here as banks start to actually repossess the hard luck investors from the past double decade

our master of the high court is worth a google, hes been up to allsorts lately

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/freeman-of-the-land-causes-chaos-in-wigan-court-1-9594633

Is this the right thread for these, er, pioneers?

US man could face death penalty over Thailand 'sea home'

"We're looking forward to freedom loving people to come and join us on the open ocean"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bceePdFruU

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3cjtSbWMAAVBRx.jpg

this is old and yet in another more accurate sense, evergreen:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html

yeve seen the ben gilroy vid right

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/23/man-refused-to-register-sons-birth-high-court

[The judge] said the couple’s deliberate decision not to register the birth stemmed from the boy’s father’s unusual and somewhat eccentric beliefs about the concept of personal sovereignty. He said the boy’s mother was not prepared to register the birth herself, but was not opposed to somebody else registering it.

He said the father had a genuinely held belief in the power and writ of the individual. The father told the judge: “We are each our own sovereign. We are governed by a common law but only to the extent that we depart from three principles. These three imperatives are: to do no harm; to cause no loss; to inflict no injury.”

The judge said the father regarded registering a birth as the equivalent of making an entry on to a ship’s manifest. He argued that registering the birth would make the child “an asset to the country, which has boarded a vessel to sail on the high seas”.

The judge added the essence of the father’s objection was “his belief that registration will cause his son to become controlled by a state which he perceives to be authoritarian and capricious”.

the father’s objection was “his belief that registration will cause his son to become controlled by a state which he perceives to be authoritarian and capricious”.

He's both right and wrong about that one. The state is quite often authoritarian and capricious, and it does control those who live within its borders to a large extent, but his belief that failing to register his son's birth would have the slightest effect on this is just magical thinking of the worst sort.

Oregon Republican's violent threat draws militia support

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/germanys-new-mini-reichs/

The Reichsbürger’s ethno-nationalist ideology most closely resembles American strains of right-wing state-denying and secessionist groups known as “Sovereign Citizens.” Many of the exact conspiracy theories, tactics, and legal maneuvers employed by German Reichsbürger are borrowed from the Sovereign Citizens, whose earliest groupings can be traced back to the 1970s. Often survivalist or white nationalist in nature, Sovereign Citizens deny the legitimacy and jurisdiction of the US federal government and especially the IRS, claiming that the individual is inherently sovereign or that the highest authority is the local sheriff (as commissioned by local “free men”).

The Australian sociologist Judy Lattas sees microstates as “a largely grievance-driven form of political protest” but with a much deeper significance for our present understanding of the nation-state and the individual. Small groups and individuals who declare their own state may take their vocabulary from the establishing ceremonies of larger states, but they “relocate” sovereignty onto an assertion of individual rights. Thomas Jefferson’s individual hand signing the Declaration of Independence represented not himself but the united will of the nation. Microstates insist that tiny groups and even single individuals also deserve the rights of a state.

The Insanity in Oregon Is a Glimpse of Our Very Dark Future

Pierce is doing what pundits do, taking a news story and spinning out a narrative. A lot of these narratives involve the future and the horrible consequences that will roll out of the original news story and day now.

Pierce could be right here. The implications of the Oregon Republicans openly embracing people who make serious threats of violence against their political opponents is ugly as hell and much too easy to normalize as just another baby step in a trend that's been building for more than a decade. But it's good to remember that pundits, like stock pickers, make a lot of bad or overwrought predictions, based on seeing trends that move only in one direction.

is there a more positive narrative?

I can't see the future.

xp no there isn't

Let's see about that. Hmmm. How about:

• no actual violence occurs as a result of this act of political theater on the part of the Republicans.

• the episode ends with the Republicans further marginalized in Oregon politics as a result of their stupid shenanigans.

• the cap-and-trade bill is slightly altered to allow some face-saving but passes essentially as it is (which already contains a number of compromises to address the concerns of rural Oregonians and the 'mighty' timber lobby.

• in the parts of the state where the more militant, gun-toting, confederate flag-waving minority flaunts their ugly beliefs, the less militant majority continues to worry mostly about making a living and raising their kids.

• and the whole thing blows over.

does this... remind you of anyone?

More details: https://t.co/Dmz4U9Tj46

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 2, 2019

is it possible to be both a sovereign human being and a seven nation army?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tax-evasion-natural-person-michael-millar-appeal-1.5253991

Early in ILX's existence there was a Millar who posted here. Kind of a contrarian, given to outbursts. I wonder...

lol

washington state senator is a real piece of work: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/us/matt-shea-washington-extremism.html

ex-wife testified that he insisted she walk on his left side because his sword, if he had one, would be on his right

also no one wants to arrest him due to fears of a violent confrontation

Kansas man asks judge's leave for sword battle with ex-wife, lawyer

A Kansas man has asked an Iowa judge to let him engage in a sword fight with his ex-wife and her attorney so that he can “rend their souls” from their bodies.

David Ostrom, 40, of Paola, Kansas, said in a Jan. 3 court filing that his former wife, Bridgette Ostrom, 38, of Harlan, Iowa, and her attorney, Matthew Hudson, had “destroyed (him) legally.” The Ostroms have been embroiled in disputes over custody and visitation issues and property tax payments.

The judge had the power to let the parties “resolve our disputes on the field of battle, legally,” David Ostrom said, adding in his filing that trial by combat “has never been explicitly banned or restricted as a right in these United States.”

He also asked the judge for 12 weeks’ time so he could secure Japanese samurai swords.

Of course he fucking did.

broke, classist: making fun of Florida Man
funny, wholesome: making fun of sovereign citizens

this lunacy has crossed to the UK. apparently here the magic words are "article 61 of MAGNA CARTA"

no surprise that there is a connection with brexiteers, antiquarians and a faintly hapless baron:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09qhsc4

lol that was hilarious.

The first freemen I became aware of that prompted me to start the thread where in the UK

i met my first in 2009 through work on ach1ll

it feels a very ancient kind of lunacy

"antiquarian bookseller Gregg Lance-Watkins"

the guy who got sent down for drink driving and seriously hurting somebody then describes his prison time as his "apprenticeship" and says he had volunteered to be a hangman for the execution of the treacherous QEII!

whats the penalty under art 61 of the magna carta of an irish lad using a vpn to listen to this podcast

you get bled out till death like the subhuman pig eyed mick you are, overseen by an executioner who is a serial drink driver and did time for child porn in the 00's!

fuckit, will we chance it anyway lads hah?

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200310/conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-charged-with-dwi-in-travis-co-authorities-say