also... *whispers* AI should never have won mvp either, shaq was a monster that year
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 4 August 2018 14:53 (one year ago) link
MVP is not for the best player, but for the most valuable. Shaq should have more MVPs, and was amazing in 2001. However, AI made that dogshit 76ers team contenders; the Lakers would have been damn good (but not champions) without Shaq. I wouldn't have complained if he got the MVP, though that doesn't make Iverson any less deserving.
HOWEVER, Derrick Rose can fuck right off.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 August 2018 15:44 (one year ago) link
my test in these matters is "what would happen if you switch those players?" (and if they play different positions, sub that spot with a replacement-level player) and you can't convince me that a shaq-led sixers wouldn't have made an iverson-kobe lakers team quake. i dont wanna relitigate "what does valuable mean" here tho bc this is a family restaurant.
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 4 August 2018 17:50 (one year ago) link
Yet those teams were built around those special talents. What compliments AI doesn't compliment Shaq. So it's apples and oranges as they were both great that year.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 August 2018 18:21 (one year ago) link
agreed about d rose, im just saying allen iverson was a worthy 2nd that year and u cant convince me otherwise
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 4 August 2018 18:23 (one year ago) link
Fair enough. Shaq was the most dominant player of the era, which is more important for this discussion than whether or not he won MVP in 2001.
I also admit to AI bias as he's the only NBA player I ever faced on a court.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 4 August 2018 18:41 (one year ago) link
I think kevin pelton has a system like this right? championships added -- I don't have insider anymore so I can't see the methodology
― k3vin k., Saturday, 4 August 2018 19:16 (one year ago) link
i mean im not a person who would say go to insider2text dot xyz but that is a thing some people might say in that situation
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 4 August 2018 19:18 (one year ago) link