Greatest NBA players discussion and maybe a nomination thread IDK

i think i was trying to account for near-dominance with the all-nba first team selections (assuming in most cases that top 3 mvp vote getters would for the most part earn all-nba first team selections).

i agree that there are some players who probably should have more or fewer mvps tho. i'd argue nash and rose shouldnt have any. jordan deserves at least one of malone's or barkley's or maybe both. guys like bill russell and dave cowens who somehow got mvps but not all-nba first team probably dont deserve from those yeares.

also... *whispers* AI should never have won mvp either, shaq was a monster that year

MVP is not for the best player, but for the most valuable. Shaq should have more MVPs, and was amazing in 2001. However, AI made that dogshit 76ers team contenders; the Lakers would have been damn good (but not champions) without Shaq. I wouldn't have complained if he got the MVP, though that doesn't make Iverson any less deserving.

HOWEVER, Derrick Rose can fuck right off.

my test in these matters is "what would happen if you switch those players?" (and if they play different positions, sub that spot with a replacement-level player) and you can't convince me that a shaq-led sixers wouldn't have made an iverson-kobe lakers team quake. i dont wanna relitigate "what does valuable mean" here tho bc this is a family restaurant.

Yet those teams were built around those special talents. What compliments AI doesn't compliment Shaq. So it's apples and oranges as they were both great that year.

HOWEVER, Derrick Rose can fuck right off.

agreed about d rose, im just saying allen iverson was a worthy 2nd that year and u cant convince me otherwise

Fair enough. Shaq was the most dominant player of the era, which is more important for this discussion than whether or not he won MVP in 2001.

I also admit to AI bias as he's the only NBA player I ever faced on a court.

I think kevin pelton has a system like this right? championships added -- I don't have insider anymore so I can't see the methodology

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14671128/explaining-championships-added-all-nba-rank-kevin-pelton

i mean im not a person who would say go to insider2text dot xyz but that is a thing some people might say in that situation