at least i now know not to bother going to see her play here in the autumn
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
Ok, just for fun, how much do you REALLY know about Peterson & Stereolab? There's five quotes from each here:
1. "Those who do not understand yet say they believe are hypocrites. Anything which is beyond the limits of human reason is illusion."
2."Evil is the force that believes its knowledge is complete."
3. "Consult your resentment. It’s a revelatory emotion, for all its pathology."
4. "Morals are for the blind, not the critical mind."
5. "Nothing at all can be changed if evolution turns us to silence"
6. "When you have something to say, silence is a lie"
7. "Originally this set up was to serve society, now the roles have been reversed - they want society to serve the institutions"
8. "To be jealous is to conform."
9. "What's society based on? It's based on bluff."
10. "Speak the truth and see what happens"
― everything, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
well I only recognize the Stereolab lyrics tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
cuz fuck if I'm gonna memorize any of this schmucks' "aphorisms" without a catchy melody behind them
Stereolab:1. "Those who do not understand yet say they believe are hypocrites. Anything which is beyond the limits of human reason is illusion."4. "Morals are for the blind, not the critical mind."7. "Originally this set up was to serve society, now the roles have been reversed - they want society to serve the institutions"9. "What's society based on? It's based on bluff."
idk what the 5th one is
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
Those are some pretty bad lyrics.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
"To be jealous is to conform" tho i think they borrowed that from Barthes
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
no point being outraged at this point that most musicians (and especially the white indie variety) are complete fucking right wing middle class bellends! Just become a Tankie!
― calzino, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link
" most musicians (and especially the white indie variety) are complete fucking right wing middle class bellends"
that's certainly untrue
― akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link
counterpoint
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
Just turned on SkyNews and who is there reviewing tomorrow's papers but Laetitia Sadier Brendan O'Neill, of course!
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
I am very sorry about this
https://i.imgur.com/lbusjT7.png
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:10 (five years ago) link
I still don't get this analogy and that's not Laetitia Sadier.
To NV, it's obviously up to you to skip that show, but you truly would be missing out.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:17 (five years ago) link
it's from this http://www.self-titledmag.com/2010/11/24/the-self-titled-interview-laetitia-sadier-of-stereolab-monade/
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:19 (five years ago) link
(the analogy is that jordan peterson's daughter made a huge deal the other day about his diet of nothing but beef, which makes him the far-right opposite of morrissey)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:20 (five years ago) link
I just don't get what that has to do with Mumford and Sons and Stereolab. May be in part because I know zero about Mumford and Sons.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:24 (five years ago) link
mumford and sons posted a photo in the studio with jordan peterson, laetitia sadier tweeted pretty glowingly at him
it's a shitpost basically
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 3 August 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link
On BBC24 right now, Stephen Sackur interviewing JP, bringing up his nonsense about lobsters...
SS: "Now, I'm no expert..."JP: "But I am."
Also LOL at Sackur pointing out that, for someone who is concerned with men manning up, he seems awfully thin skinned and oversensitive when criticized - cut to JP looking thin skinned and oversensitive .
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 August 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
the decoder ring to JP is that piece by his former colleague imo
― flappy bird, Monday, 6 August 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
ah, that Sackur thing was on the World Service this afternoon but i made it to the off switch before Peterson came on. don't expect anything better from a programme called Hardtalk which is a fucking stupid title that only a cunt would want to be the host of
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 August 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
The Atlantic jumps in bed with Peterson
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-the-left-is-so-afraid-of-jordan-peterson/567110/
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
Well, Caitlin Flanagan is the female Jordan Peterson, so that makes perfect sense.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
I can never figure out who "The Left" is anymore.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
thx for the C Flanagan warning so I don't click on that.
― Yerac, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
It's a garbage article, but perhaps notable for being in a popular publication that sometimes flirts with liberal ideas.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
lol does this just boil down to "why do people keep criticizing JP's regressive garbage ideas"
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
It's more like a content- and evidence-free screed about how the left is dying and millions of would-be liberals are now tuning in to Peterson, thereby creating a full on panic to delegitimize Peterson at all costs. It doesn't real give any reason why people like Peterson outside of vague hints about him being against identity politics.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link
It also features the spurious claim that Peterson is as much an enemy of the alt-right as he is of the left.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
it's a pretty garbage publication
lol at 'thinking something is stupid' = being 'afraid' of it
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:54 (five years ago) link
the atlantic's editorial stance seems to be centrist-left, but with articles that try to empathize with a version of social conservatism that's actually worse than most social conservatives
― mh, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
These are people who aren’t looking for an ideology; they are looking for ideas.
this is a pure, uncut instance of ideological thinking. almost impressive.
― ryan, Thursday, 9 August 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link
it is astonishing to me that so many people think this dumb motherfucker has anything interesting or novel to say
― marcos, Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link
honestly i only hear about him on ilx
― No organ. (crüt), Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I think I was drawn to that article because of the recent Stereolab brouhaha. The article gives zero indication as to what all these people find interesting about him.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 9 August 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
I see copies of his book on the “check out these super popular books” display at the library. I’ve never had anyone talk to me about him in a positive way though.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
lucky. i see his book in stores, him on the tv, podcasts and my tattoo artist was talking about how great he was the other day.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
he's not the guru douchebags deserve but he's the guru douchebags need
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
This came up on this weeks episode of The Weekly (our comedy "week in current afairs" style show) and I thought of this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-NonVtxyAk
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 9 August 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
atlantic rebuttal http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/the-lefts-hatred-of-jordan-peterson-is-perfectly-rational.html
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
I liked the rebuttal
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 11 August 2018 01:22 (five years ago) link
The all-Jordan Peterson issue of Skeptic Magazine might be the only issue you will ever want to buy, due to it being fucking hilarious cringe gold pic.twitter.com/OJT9tRSJOP— Rebecca Watson (@rebeccawatson) August 15, 2018
― Eliza D., Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
the intellectual dark web is like the hair club for men. JP's not just a spokesman, he's...
― mh, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
aww hell yeah
― ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
Ugh. Shermer and Dawkins remind me of some contrarian-libertarian types I know, who are also theoretically too smart to fall for Peterson's shit and yet somehow not.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
these dudes really want a bunch of nonsensical platitudes with no internal logic, yet hate religion
― mh, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
Good observation. I actually don’t think most people were built to be true skeptics/agnostics and will always look for some kind of religion substitute /contro-op
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
I don’t mean that in a judgmental way. It’s good to find an ethos—these guys just picked a bad one that flatters their preconceptions
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:21 (five years ago) link
there's a dipshit the local newspaper lets write op-eds and he's the most predictable libertarian/home-schooler type. you know, people who had repressive churchy parents who now think their parents had all the right ideas, but for the wrong reasons. so it's still a bad culture trying to mess with our children, but REASON is the answer instead of religion
― mh, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link
in a recent op-ed it took him two paragraphs to go from "stop calling everyone racist" to "well, rappers say that word all the time"
I can't even
― mh, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
I mean these guys are pretty aligned with fundamental Christians in most ways anyway, especially now that Trump has bridged the gap between fundies and the 4chan incel crowd. watching these dudes all suddenly turn staunchly pro-life and pro-2A has been a trip though
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link