Tango in the Night POLL (Fleetwood Mac)

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Tim F OTM about the quality of the production on this record, though - although I don't think the production is overstuffed or even excessive. I can think of far, far, far worse examples of heavy handed '80s production.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:27 (three years ago) link

Seriously, this isn't even that "80s."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:29 (three years ago) link

Are there even snares that go "poosh?"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:29 (three years ago) link

The snare sounds are quite tasteful across most of the record, thinking about it - I can't think of any moments where cavernous reverb is applied or any excessive gated reverbs.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:33 (three years ago) link

I guess Isn't It Midnight is pretty 80s, right down to the tempo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:34 (three years ago) link

The production on this record is '80s, though - it couldn't possibly be placed in any other decade - it just uses the trends of the time tastefully instead of in an OTT way like others did.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:38 (three years ago) link

agreed. this record sounds super nice, not to simplify it - but yeah

eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:38 (three years ago) link

It's basically the 80s way of making a record sound 70s dry, when most 80s signifiers lean hard on the studio mush.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:41 (three years ago) link

"isn't it midnight" is like "what if the heart s/t were tasteful," a great question with a great answer

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:43 (three years ago) link

I dunno, the pristine digital quality of the overall sound and the programmed, layered nature of the production and the keyboard sounds used and the precise, automated nature of the mixes place this square in '80s territory for me, even without the massive reverbs. It has more in common with Brothers in Arms than it does No Jacket Required.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:47 (three years ago) link

As for the drumming on 'Big Love', my guess is the same as Josh's in that I think it's actually a combination of programming and overdubbed drum parts. My guess is that Buckingham laid down a basic drum machine part as a guide (to get the timing tight) and built the track up from that, and then got Mick to overdub toms, "real" snare fills, cymbal washes etc. It's possible that the guide track was replaced eventually, but it doesn't sound like it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:00 (three years ago) link

If anything that's another intriguing data point in favor of the production: it's hard to tell what is programmed and what is Mick fuckin' Fleetwood.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:32 (three years ago) link

Big Love is all about the Balearic masterpiece of a remix by Arthur baker imo

i know kore-eda (or something), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:34 (three years ago) link

*except where Stevie's songs fall over.

uh whassamatta. baby.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:42 (three years ago) link

That alt Mystified is pretty awesome and weird, though there's a single recurring drum sound in it that I'm finding crazily distracting.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:42 (three years ago) link

Framing "Big Love" as a missed opportunity presupposes that the live version had some notional existence at the time the original was composed - is there any evidence of that?

In this interview he talks about Big Love being about "the potential of a single guitar doing the work of a whole track", so that tells me he might have written it that way first, then added all the other elements later in the process

https://youtu.be/iBSWt0b4K8E?t=71

enochroot, Friday, 3 August 2018 01:45 (three years ago) link

and the dream says I WANT YOU
and the dream is gone

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2018 02:06 (three years ago) link

I never ever ever got burned out on 80s production styles/techniques. 90s and 00s, almost immediately.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 3 August 2018 02:21 (three years ago) link

If anything, my appreciation for the technical skill of '80s production has only increased with time. There were a lot of legitimately stunning production achievements in the '80s. Of course, there are many examples of the trends of the time done badly, but that exists in every decade.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 3 August 2018 06:24 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

The tightly shrinkwrapped Fairlight-playground production on this is killing me in the best possible way. Sounds in places like the mutant child of Mylène Farmer’s “Ainsi Sout je...” and “Cupid & Psyche” Scritti. Had never listened to this album in its entirety before yesterday.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 17 August 2020 08:45 (one year ago) link

If anything, my appreciation for the technical skill of '80s production has only increased with time. There were a lot of legitimately stunning production achievements in the '80s. Of course, there are many examples of the trends of the time done badly, but that exists in every decade.

― Le Baton Rose (Turrican)

lol what a pompous halfwit

buzza, Monday, 17 August 2020 09:06 (one year ago) link

“Isn’t It Midnight” deserved better.

And “Caroline” has become the go to song for my 3-year old to perform her experimental ballet routines.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 17 August 2020 12:02 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Would be very curious to have a long discussion with the person who voted for "You and I, Part II"

the least famous person you were surprised to discover (emsworth), Monday, 25 January 2021 09:11 (eight months ago) link

Seven Wonders" (Stewart, Nicks) – 3:38 0

the hell

I finally heard the whole thing after hearing the singles for 33 years; would've voted for "Seven Wonders", with "Family Man" an amusing novelty. The production on the rest is not to my taste; I wonder to what extent drug intoxication and consequent decline in playing and singing ability necessitated Buckingham's sample-heavy approach?

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 13:28 (eight months ago) link

I don't think Buckingham's ability to play has suffered even slightly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZZp76M4NGc

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:30 (eight months ago) link

i can't listen to 'family man' without thinking what it would be like if henry rollins was doing the backing vocal part

mage uluk (NickB), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:37 (eight months ago) link

family... MAN

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:37 (eight months ago) link

The production is the album, as in, insofar as songs exist as moods or humors Buckingham's mix bodies them.

The title track's as metal a moment as the Mac had achieved since I'm So Afraid off the 1980 Live album

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 13:45 (eight months ago) link

Buckingham's solo in "Isn't It Midnight" too.

Not Buckingham's playing, I just wonder to what extent the aesthetic was determined by having a drummer and lead singer/songwriter in sub-optimal shape. Mirage has a lot less of that sampled sound although the technology did exist and was certainly available to them.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 14:02 (eight months ago) link

I meant, his playing wasn't deteriorating.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 14:03 (eight months ago) link

I just wonder to what extent the aesthetic was determined by having a drummer and lead singer/songwriter in sub-optimal shape.

I don't believe in intentionality, but yes: the band's been clear about the shape they were in.

I think Lindsey's spoken about how Stevie's contribution were scraped together as a result of her issues at the time, but I'm not aware of Mick struggling with playing at the time. I mean, the production is very much in keeping with the era?

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:11 (eight months ago) link

xps

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 14:11 (eight months ago) link

the band's been clear about the shape they were in.

― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 25, 2021 7:11 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i actually disagree, having read a few different interviews with them about it; they tell more than few contradictory stories

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2021 15:01 (eight months ago) link

At the same time the album is out of time: the programemd chimes and music box effects are novel.

regardless i have encountered no information that suggests mick fleetwood's playing was hampered at all xp

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 25 January 2021 15:02 (eight months ago) link

His playing and the drum machines are identifiable.

Pretty sure huge hunks of the album were patched together with a Fairlight. I was blown away learning from the Replacements book that Jim Dickinson used a Fairlight to cobble together acceptable drum takes, and if even the Replacements were (unwittingly) using the Fairlight for that purpose there is no way that Bucky wasn't doing it the same way (and, coincidentally, the same year), especially given members of the Mac were as fucked up as the Mats (and Bucky, if he had his way, probably would have replaced them all with machines if he could have, anyway).

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 16:00 (eight months ago) link

Maybe Mick was hampered because his drum vest hadn’t arrived by studio recording time.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 25 January 2021 17:05 (eight months ago) link

that buckingham solo video is insane

satanist of size (map), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:17 (eight months ago) link

i really hate "little lies" lol i grit my teeth thru it every time i listen to this album which otherwise consistently blows me away. it's one of those songs i really associate w/ being in the back of my mom's car in endless traffic jams trying to get home from school or baseball or something. how did it win this poll?

voting for "everywhere" would be cheating so i prob would've gone with "when i see you again" or "big love"

J0rdan S., Monday, 25 January 2021 17:21 (eight months ago) link

I can’t really imagine supporting one of the two Stevie non-singles.

Tim F, Monday, 25 January 2021 17:22 (eight months ago) link

"Little Lies" is such a perfectly constructed song abetted by sympathetic production that I never tire of it. I often think Nicks' nasally TELL ME LIIIES chorus backup vocal is the shrewdest, most moving of her Mac tenure.

vs

WASSA MADDA BABY....BABY...BAY-BEE....BABY!

― My life is butthurt so badly (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, September 5, 2009

God, I love "wassa madda baby"

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (eight months ago) link

BABY

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (eight months ago) link

BABY

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Monday, 25 January 2021 17:29 (eight months ago) link


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