NPR's 150 Albums Made by Women

like i haven't checked but just as an example did any keyshia cole songs make it

most of these seem at least informed by rnb imo:

19. Beyoncé, "Formation" (2016)
15. Nicki Minaj, "Super Bass" (2010)
12. Solange, "Cranes In The Sky" (2016)
11. Janelle Monáe (ft. Big Boi), "Tightrope" (2010)
8. Alicia Keys, "Fallin'" (2001)
7. Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, "100 Days, 100 Nights" (2007)
6. Lorde, "Royals" (2013)
4. Amy Winehouse, "Back To Black" (2006)
3. Beyoncé, "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" (2008)
1. M.I.A., "Paper Planes" (2007)

anyway, surely some genres/artists are represented as always, just find it... I dunno what word to use... remarkable maybe, that a liberal/progressive reaction to National Radio's attempt at challenging a male dominated canon would be calling it neo liberalist bullshit

I'm not going to spend time hatereading reddit comments about the list, but I'm sure a lot of people find the very concept of a list with no men offensive

underrepresented*

you show those reddit men you just imagined, niels

you don't think they exist?

What type of brain disease would I need where I get mad at hypothetical Reddit posts that I invent in my head

haha that's a bit rich but I gather you think I'm insane for imagining how a list like this would be received in certain forums?

...yes?

for what it's worth this is the reddit thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsTalkMusic/comments/6pvq4m/lets_talk_nprs_150_greatest_albums_made_by_women/

most of these seem at least informed by rnb imo:

19. Beyoncé, "Formation" (2016)
15. Nicki Minaj, "Super Bass" (2010)
12. Solange, "Cranes In The Sky" (2016)
11. Janelle Monáe (ft. Big Boi), "Tightrope" (2010)
8. Alicia Keys, "Fallin'" (2001)
7. Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, "100 Days, 100 Nights" (2007)
6. Lorde, "Royals" (2013)
4. Amy Winehouse, "Back To Black" (2006)
3. Beyoncé, "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" (2008)
1. M.I.A., "Paper Planes" (2007)

Lmfaoooooooooooooooo

(from last year's list; this year's list doesn't seem to have as much commentary but https://www.reddit.com/r/indieheads/comments/93253b/npr_list_the_200_greatest_songs_by_21st_century/)

From /r/popheads

https://www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/934a2i/npr_the_200_greatest_songs_by_21st_century_women/

yeah I was just about to link that but the too reddit didn't read is that the list was received basically how it was received here; T_D types generally don't follow music to this degree

It's an interesting list, but the ranking order is all over the place. When you have stuff like Britney Spears' ...Baby One More Time (which aside from the singles is pretty dire, and one of her worst albums honestly) higher than Young, Gifted and Black by Aretha Franklin, your list can't be all that great.

Still, it's refreshing because most other best of albums lists are indeed very male dominated, and even rock-oriented. Whereas there seems to be a lot of diversity in this list.

Wow, the top voted Reddit comment. These absolute savages. These fucking monsters.

(there's also a /mu/ thread apparently but I'm not clicking it at work)

/mu/ is not talking about this right now

But you can read these threads:

Where's theneedledrop?: Why are Fantano's scores still not appearing in the reception section of album articles in Wikipedia?

The only reason people think Birds in the Trap was bad is because of Fantano's opinion. If he gave it a good score everyone on reddit and /mu/ would think it was good. Fuck Anthony Fantano. And fuck mindless drones. Astroworld is going to be AOTY.

He everyone, VIEWSTHONY WHORETANO here, the internet's most desperate music nerd. And it's time for a review of another imexplicably positive review of a terrible SoundCloud rap album because that's what my underaged fanbase wants to hear.

Hi my name is Frank Zappa and my musuic is garbage

Why are there so many pseuds and contrarians on this board? Do they think they're above others for having an inferior taste in music? Help me out here, /mu/.

Post based and redpilled RYM reviews

they were as of two days ago https://i.imgur.com/seSvPqF.png

(google search link because, again, I'm not clicking this at work, so for all I know it could be fawningly positive)

it's not

but this is a good time as ever to guess which ILXors have soy face

happy to hear the reddit thread is not bad

still think it's v weird to describe this list as neo liberal

also d40 what's the joke pls

xpost it is “weird” and makes zero sense but I would ignore it

discussion piece between 2 of the writer contributors to the list(intro to it below)

As the list took shape, it became impossible not to notice that the songs in this canon share a common backbone. Many of the songs, and more namely the song's creators, owe their catchy, joyous, triumphant, sexy, strong, aching, resilient ethos to black, Latin and Afro Caribbean musical roots. From streaming to radio, the influence of Latin, Caribbean and R&B music is apparent across all modern genres in the new millennium.

To untangle this common thread, NPR Music's Stefanie Fernández and Sidney Madden charted the work of women of color on this list and examined the ways agency and identity have become central in breaking down pop music's barriers.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634184379/reclaiming-the-rhyme-how-black-women-and-latinas-have-reshaped-pop-music

They followed in the footsteps of those who could not choose: Selena Quintanilla, Gloria Estefan, Jenni Rivera, Celia Cruz, and so many others.

FTR, I interviewed Jenni Rivera once and she said she would never want to record in English. That if she ever did, it would be an album of old doo-wop songs and love ballads like you'd hear on Art Laboe's radio show, but she had zero interest in crossing over to a pop audience.

Also, both these women are bad, clumsy writers who really could have used an editor to teach them how not to sound like marketing executives.

and with that

https://i.imgur.com/zGHQb4O.gif?2

What type of brain disease would I need where I get mad at hypothetical Reddit posts that I invent in my head

probably a very similar one to the sort that would make you get mad at hypothetical ILX posters or movie viewers or readers or music listeners or bacon eaters that you invent in your head

x-post to Unperson--Fernandez does not sound like a "marketing executive" here :

The mainstreaming and whitewashing of reggaeton, a genre born from working class black Panamanians (like La Atrevida) in the late 1980s and pioneered in the 1990s by listmaker Ivy Queen (No. 60 with "Quiero Bailar"), by white or light-skinned Latin pop artists has facilitated the pop transformation of Afro-Caribbean genres to the point where they are barely recognizable. In the early 2000s, genres shaped and fundamentally conceived from poverty and racism like reggaeton and soca were still dismissed as classless and vulgar; the vestiges of this thinking can still be seen in the perceived vulgarity of Latin trap artists like Bad Bunny and the new wave of reguetoneras like Karol G, Natti Natasha and Anitta who seem to have been left behind by the success of their peers more palatable to the American market.

She also acknowledges that "There are no reggae or soca songs on the list..."

Fine, but it's still bad and clumsy writing, based on phony premises, starting (in the excerpt you quoted) with the fact that Ivy Queen is herself light-skinned. We could also talk about the fact that Gloria Estefan had multiple Top 40 English-language hits, and she and her husband Emilio managed Shakira's move into pop. These writers are painting a portrait of victimization and marginalization that just doesn't match the facts. I mean, when you're gonna call Gloria fucking Estefan someone who couldn't choose her own career moves, you really need to stop and rethink. And you know this stuff, probably even better than I do.

also d40 what's the joke pls

― niels, Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:14 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the idea that that selection somehow adequately represents or even comprehends R&B's musical contributions this decade is laughable

also you missed Jazmine Sullivan, a rare counterexample to what i'm actually talking about

I didn't say that selection "adequately represents" 21st century R&B

you wrote that "the list unquestionably, IMO, and drastically underrates R&B" and I wanted to make the point that the top 20 was full of R&B-informed songs (I didn't "miss" Sullivan, she's at #137 and I was quoting the top 20)

but I'm no expert on contemporary R&B would love to see your list of 20 representative tracks

Ok, the idea that it’s noteworthy a lot of music would be “r&b-informed” is basically useless—pop music as a whole is r&b infomed

But this canon clearly pushes against the r&b canon, or treats it w oblivious disdain & there’s no real analysis of what’s lost or missing

that was indeed carefully phrased, I'd say Sharon Jones and Amy Winehouse is straight up (revivalist) rhythm and blues, stuff like Solange, Beyoncé and Alicia Keys comfortably contemporary R&B

list has Ciara, King, Jhene Aiko, Tweet, Jill Scott, Kali Uchis, India Arie, Blu Cantrell, Sza but maybe you feel it's missing Cassie, Dawn Richard, Kehlani, Kelela, Tinashe?

Anyway I'm really not looking for an argument here, I just thought the criticism seemed perhaps a bit out of proportion with the offensiveness of the list. I think it'd be great if you would share your idea for a 21st century female rnb canon, maybe there isn't really one?

One last time on my pet peeve--

She also acknowledges that "There are no reggae or soca songs on the list..."

Sorry Faye-Ann Lyons, you don't rate

plus no afropop/afrobeats (programmed beat African music) artists-- Sorry Yemi Alade, you don't rate.

Anyway I'm really not looking for an argument here, I just thought the criticism seemed perhaps a bit out of proportion with the offensiveness of the list. I think it'd be great if you would share your idea for a 21st century female rnb canon, maybe there isn't really one?

― niels, Friday, August 3, 2018 6:25 AM (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have to provide my own canon to argue this ignores large portions of the actual R&B canon?

how about destiny's child, brandy, missy, amerie, keyshia cole, mariah carey, mary j blige, erykah badu, aaliyah, keri hilson, jennifer hudson, janet, fantasia, teedra moses, ashanti ... im sure im missing people

the interpretation of "R&B" as portrayed by the list feels limited by critical acclaim & a lack of investment in / immersion in R&B discourse imo...saying "but kali uchis" is a strike against yr point. even your examples of who should have made it hews very close to crit-friendly singing fare (surprised you didn't say FKA twigs?) ignoring the post-church music soul/R&B wing in favor of the kind of stuff that appeals to critics & brits lol

im not counting their 'premiered in the 00s' excused since they break it arbitrarily & because the genre is literally driven by women in their 30s/40s consumer wise so it seems absurd

K Michelle too, surely? Or are you only talking 00’s here?

Not looking at the list I know it’s missing Chavela Vargas and therefore not worth my time.

Kudos for Selena in the top 20 though if that’s the list that was copy pasted above.

Actually that list is pretty decent.

Still no Chavela Vargas makes me sad. I suspect it’s also missing many afro+latin singers but that could be a separate list.

1000% k Michelle

Sevyn streeter

“Motivation” by kelly Rowland >>>>

Hell yeah

amerie and fka both on the list

you don't have to argue anything, I accept that this list is missing a lot of rnb I just want to know what it is because I like the genre

motivation is definitely missing!

I missed Amerie (I don’t consider Fka r&b)

reggaeton is easily more popular than any other form of latin music in america right now

it's great to see I'm With Her finally getting the credit they deserve.