Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

I like them both, would vote for either of them

I'm totally on board with people voting for Harris, but that's a horrible message, and does the GOPs job for them of moving the goalposts ever rightward.

A rare morbs otm

Whether it's Harris or Gillibrand or someone else, it's always better to have a sympathetic ear in the Oval Office than a punitive, vindictive manifestation of right wing radio. Any realistic Dem contender in 2020 is pushable to the left, and some are already demonstrating that two years out.

It’s the sort of thing that only someone who is triangulating would say.

this kind of bullshit is totally counterproductive and we all know it

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:28 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the opposition is absolutely gleeful at our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good - let's indulge them one more time, maybe it'll work out at last!

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:29 PM (two hours ago)

come on man, it was a bad tweet and pushback is healthy. this is how these people learn

the video overall was solid, though a politician of harris's stature should understand the importance of slogans and messaging. agree with most of that loomis post

our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good

congrats, never heard that assphrase before

not voting for Kamala Harris

You live in NY so wgaf

I would really love to see a two-woman ticket, almost just for the dickhead meltdowns. Gillibrand has to be one of the two and I’d rather have Warren over Harris.

absolutely true JF, but i could always move to Philly

What can Kamala Harris do to secure your vote? I can try and relay the message to her office tomorrow.

A good start would be dropping ideas like unemployed people don't deserve a roof over their head.

as for me:

* stop acting like such a former attorney general

* medicare for all

* explicitly state that the only person trump should nominate to the SCOTUS is Merrick Garland

* rephrase that tweet and make it about a living wage

i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying

tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.

(as in, no chance in 2020, but maybe after, with some adjustments)

(also, all the white dudes should be asking these women how they can be of assistance)

(and Booker should be taking notes in case he passes muster to be veep)

the real 2020 presidential candidate was the friends we made along the way

Cory Booker was on On Being this week positioning himself as "the Love candidate" which is right out of the old 1930s musical Of Thee I Sing.

(what he really loves is hedge funds)

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that lady unironically retweet Devin Nunes.

“i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying”
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, July 30, 2018 11:21 PM

tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 2:25 AM (yesterday

barf

I've seen a lot of people, including james surowiecki, make the point that the rent relief act will in effect encourage rents to keep rising and end up putting more money in the pockets of landlords/developers. many of them have been conservatives and libertarians so I'd like to see a good analysis of it before I reflexively agree, though it does seem to make sense

sorry for making you barf

you're a smart enough guy to understand that that's a completely useless statement you could pretty much make about any politician. I am trying to keep an open mind about all of our candidates too, but my response to missteps by these people, particularly when they're in line with what already worries us about them, generally isn't "man, I'm sure excited about all the learning she potentially can do!"

it's really not too much to ask for a united states senator, particularly a democratic one with an eye on winning the democratic nomination, to have done her research or have a basic understanding of messaging

fair point I guess I was trying to be nice to California

i wonder if Dem senators ever look across the aisle, sigh longingly, and wonder what it must be like to be able to be a smarmy dogshit-for-brains asshole and still easily win elections.

lol @ ilx being concerned that if we normalize people having jobs the overton window will be pulled too far to the right

You realize that work requirements for Medicaid & food stamps is a big goal for the GOP, right?

yes, that is bullshit and also 100% clearly not what kamala harris is talking about

I'm trying to think of what the right-wing equivalent of lefty-purist-handwringing is and am coming up short

(granted this is because they've abandoned any and all pretense of adhering to anything resembling a principle)

https://huffingtonpost.ca/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-2020_us_5b58994ae4b0b15aba945e79#click=https://t.co/cGOJvdXyDK

link not working for me, care to summarize?

I'm trying to think of what the right-wing equivalent of lefty-purist-handwringing is and am coming up short

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:19 PM (eleven minutes ago)

just be honest and say you don't care. these are actual policy issues and tailoring messaging by playing into the hands of GOP legislative priorities, as moodles pointed out, is bad politics!

I really try to remind myself that Twitter is not an accurate microcosm of America, but jesus there sure are a lot of motherfuckers on there who DESPISE Gillibrand solely for the Franken fallout. It's deeply deeply depressing.

cleaned up link https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-2020_us_5b58994ae4b0b15aba945e79 xxp

Thx Brad, posting on mobile is hell for links

yes, that is bullshit and also 100% clearly not what kamala harris is talking about

She's not talking specifically about that, but her message helps legitimize the notion that only a subset of people deserve basic things like shelter. It's not exactly leaps and bounds away.

like Chris Hayes just tweeted about, and so you're already talking about a group of people who have self-selected as being interested in following Chris Hayes, so you'd think their misogyny wouldn't be QUITE so near-universal.

I understand that any democrat will always be preferable to any republican, which is why I will vote for democrats until I die or until the parties change again. but pooh-poohing good-faith criticism of democratic leaders seems to be not the best play, to me

sorry xpost, i'm talking about the Gillibrand stuff still

I would think by this point, after years of rehashing the same shit, it's p obvious I don't care about Morbz's troll-bait nonsense

xp

thx Simon

good-faith criticism of democratic leaders

this is not what Morbz does and you know it

I understand that any democrat will always be preferable to any republican

in fact, can we start a countdown clock for Morbz to come in and give you shit for this

well, unlike some of you apparently, my opinions and meta-opinions about democratic politics are not filtered through my opinion of morbs. it's honestly sad how none of you can just ignore him or keep his name out of your mouth when commenting on other shit. but this is the same shit we went through in the 2016 primary, so whatever

it's honestly sad how none of you can just ignore him or keep his name out of your mouth when commenting on other shit.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

here's how I feel about Harris' tweet (which Morbz posted, for the record): 1) in general, a program addressing renter's financial burdens strike me as a good thing, 2) a jobs requirement for such a hypothetical program seems unnecessary, but whatever, baby steps, 3) the details of any such program would inevitably change during the legislative process so best not to get hung up on it anyway, BUT 4) the whole reason for posting things like this isn't to actually get bills passed but to stake out ideological territory, in which case the jobs thing seems like an unnecessary self-inflicted wound (the right's not gonna be on board for anything like this, nor give her credit for a jobs requirement, so why bother) BUT 5) this is one tweet that will be forgotten within a week, I'm not gonna lend it too much time or thought, it isn't worth it.

the end

addendum: using such a minor thing as a weapon to (further) tar one of the only women of color in a significant position of power in this country as being insufficiently leftist *really* irritates me, she'll never be good enough for some people (mysogynists, racists, idiots like Morbz etc.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNsmt2YZXA

for u, Shakes