Classic Rock Drummer Fite: John Bonham vs. Neil Peart

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Matt Cameron pretty much does a double up Neal Peart thing on top of Bonzo's Immigrant Song groove with some James Brown speed and intensity on "Jesus Christ Pose". Probably cut to a metronome and I think there might be a bit of toms overdubbed, but a great drum performance.

earlnash, Saturday, 28 July 2018 03:07 (five years ago) link

hope Zeppelin Mike is doing well

the linked thread rush vs zep chops is still a really good read

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 July 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link

three years pass...

My brother's on a Rush kick recently. He's not a drummer but he got hold of a DVD called Neil Peart: Taking Center Stage (sic). It's about six hours long, and is a combination of rehearsal and concert footage from 2010 (focussed entirely on the drumming) interspersed with Neil and an interviewer discussing the technical aspects of each song, influences, ambitions, effects.
I knew he was an eclectic listener, and maybe he mentions this in one of his books, but I was surprised to hear him credit such sources as King Sunny Ade and Godley and Creme's "Sandwiches of You" as influences on the drumming patterns of particular Rush songs.
We watched this over three nights; Peart comes across as a serious and detail-oriented but very genial guy.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 18 November 2021 17:16 (two years ago) link

This is a really cool set, I love watching the all drum versions

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 18 November 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

"Stairway to Heaven" does not become the rock standard without John Bonham.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 7 October 2022 05:51 (one year ago) link

arrrrg it makes me so irrationally angry to watch Peart, only because he should have been sitting higher (or positioned much of his kit lower). No wonder he developed chronic tendonitis in his arms and shoulders: his shoulders are so stiff from constantly having to keep them at the necessary height to reach most of his kit. Sit higher, relax your shoulders, and use gravity!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 October 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

Ugh

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 October 2022 14:56 (one year ago) link

I dunno, didn't Peart consciously seek drum lessons later in his career, to change things up and correct bad habits? He definitely changed his style, you'd think they'd correct his form, too.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 October 2022 14:58 (one year ago) link

I'm not a drummer, but I watched Peart's instructional/concert DVD, and doesn't he have to reach because he had such a huge kit? All that hardware has to be placed either upwards or further away.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

didn't Peart consciously seek drum lessons later in his career, to change things up and correct bad habits?

Yep, he studied with Freddie Gruber on the recommendation of (I think) Steve Smith. I don't know if it was bad habits that Peart was trying to get rid of necessarily, but there is a visible change in his form, for the better. As he said in the first Rush doc, the focus was no longer on the hit, but on the motion leading to the hit (I'm paraphrasing). Compare the Letterman solo to, say, the "Anthem" video: in terms of movement, it's night and day. Prior to studying with Gruber, Peart was using a mostly forearm-centered approach (the guy in Dave Matthews Band plays like that). But after Gruber, Peart started employing his upper arms -- you can see in the Letterman clip (around 1:59) how his arms are at right angles, elbows out. When done right, that approach is much more efficient, allows for far more control over dynamics, and is less taxing, making one far less likely to develop tendonitis in the elbows.

doesn't he have to reach because he had such a huge kit?

To some extent, yes, and that's one of the frustrations that drummers have: drums have to be this size to get this sound, and that limits the possibilities for placement on a kit. That said, Peart is still sitting too high, which you can see in relation to his snare, which in turn necessitates all the other drums being placed higher. Also, if he angled his toms towards him, rather than being at a nearly flat angle, they'd be much easier to reach/hit. There'd be that much less movement and physical effort/force necessary.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 October 2022 15:31 (one year ago) link


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