how bout we try just not having a president? that could be cool.
― evol j, Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
we're fairly close right now
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
is Rosalynn too old to run
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 July 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
nice "if" there
Every American deserves to have a roof over their head and keep the lights on if they work a full-time job. pic.twitter.com/GHhD7PsXqh— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) July 29, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link
really keepin yr eyes on the prize eh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
I mean, Morbs is right here, in that that precondition is bullshit. But in the meantime, there's plenty of ppl inveighing against even that milquetoast proposition all over the country, i.e. business interests pushing against $15 minimum wages. (Which, in Seattle, still qualifies you for income-restricted housing, if you can find a unit.)
― devops mom (silby), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
this kind of bullshit is totally counterproductive and we all know it
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
the opposition is absolutely gleeful at our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good - let's indulge them one more time, maybe it'll work out at last!
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
I'm not saying don't vote for Kamala Harris, I'm saying still also promote the idea that maybe everyone deserves a safe, autonomous, healthy life no matter how much they care to work.
― devops mom (silby), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
watching the video I don't feel like the point was "if they work a full time job" so much as "every american deserves a roof over their head and to keep the lights on"
― Dan S, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
last two posts otm
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
LGM has a response: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/07/tone-deaf-potential-democratic-presidential-candidates
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I don't think there's any disputing that Gillibrand is the least horrible candidate with any likelihood of getting the nomination (right now, anyway)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
I'd be happy to vote for her
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
dunno if she'd drive african american turnout like Kamala would but that's electoral politics for ya
― Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
I like them both, would vote for either of them
― Dan S, Monday, 30 July 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
I'm totally on board with people voting for Harris, but that's a horrible message, and does the GOPs job for them of moving the goalposts ever rightward.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 30 July 2018 22:57 (five years ago) link
A rare morbs otm
Whether it's Harris or Gillibrand or someone else, it's always better to have a sympathetic ear in the Oval Office than a punitive, vindictive manifestation of right wing radio. Any realistic Dem contender in 2020 is pushable to the left, and some are already demonstrating that two years out.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 July 2018 23:18 (five years ago) link
It’s the sort of thing that only someone who is triangulating would say.
― devops mom (silby), Monday, 30 July 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
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― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:29 PM (two hours ago)
come on man, it was a bad tweet and pushback is healthy. this is how these people learn
― k3vin k., Monday, 30 July 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link
the video overall was solid, though a politician of harris's stature should understand the importance of slogans and messaging. agree with most of that loomis post
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 31 July 2018 00:11 (five years ago) link
our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good
congrats, never heard that assphrase before
not voting for Kamala Harris
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
You live in NY so wgaf
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 00:36 (five years ago) link
I would really love to see a two-woman ticket, almost just for the dickhead meltdowns. Gillibrand has to be one of the two and I’d rather have Warren over Harris.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 00:41 (five years ago) link
absolutely true JF, but i could always move to Philly
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 00:53 (five years ago) link
What can Kamala Harris do to secure your vote? I can try and relay the message to her office tomorrow.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:48 (five years ago) link
A good start would be dropping ideas like unemployed people don't deserve a roof over their head.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:52 (five years ago) link
as for me:
* stop acting like such a former attorney general
* medicare for all
* explicitly state that the only person trump should nominate to the SCOTUS is Merrick Garland
* rephrase that tweet and make it about a living wage
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 06:25 (five years ago) link
(as in, no chance in 2020, but maybe after, with some adjustments)
(also, all the white dudes should be asking these women how they can be of assistance)
(and Booker should be taking notes in case he passes muster to be veep)
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 06:28 (five years ago) link
the real 2020 presidential candidate was the friends we made along the way
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 07:56 (five years ago) link
Cory Booker was on On Being this week positioning himself as "the Love candidate" which is right out of the old 1930s musical Of Thee I Sing.
(what he really loves is hedge funds)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that lady unironically retweet Devin Nunes.
“i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying”― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, July 30, 2018 11:21 PM
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 2:25 AM (yesterday
barf
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
I've seen a lot of people, including james surowiecki, make the point that the rent relief act will in effect encourage rents to keep rising and end up putting more money in the pockets of landlords/developers. many of them have been conservatives and libertarians so I'd like to see a good analysis of it before I reflexively agree, though it does seem to make sense
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
sorry for making you barf
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
you're a smart enough guy to understand that that's a completely useless statement you could pretty much make about any politician. I am trying to keep an open mind about all of our candidates too, but my response to missteps by these people, particularly when they're in line with what already worries us about them, generally isn't "man, I'm sure excited about all the learning she potentially can do!"
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
it's really not too much to ask for a united states senator, particularly a democratic one with an eye on winning the democratic nomination, to have done her research or have a basic understanding of messaging
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
fair point I guess I was trying to be nice to California
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link
i wonder if Dem senators ever look across the aisle, sigh longingly, and wonder what it must be like to be able to be a smarmy dogshit-for-brains asshole and still easily win elections.
― evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
lol @ ilx being concerned that if we normalize people having jobs the overton window will be pulled too far to the right
― No organ. (crüt), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
You realize that work requirements for Medicaid & food stamps is a big goal for the GOP, right?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
yes, that is bullshit and also 100% clearly not what kamala harris is talking about
― No organ. (crüt), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link
I'm trying to think of what the right-wing equivalent of lefty-purist-handwringing is and am coming up short
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
(granted this is because they've abandoned any and all pretense of adhering to anything resembling a principle)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
https://huffingtonpost.ca/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-2020_us_5b58994ae4b0b15aba945e79#click=https://t.co/cGOJvdXyDK
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
link not working for me, care to summarize?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:19 PM (eleven minutes ago)
just be honest and say you don't care. these are actual policy issues and tailoring messaging by playing into the hands of GOP legislative priorities, as moodles pointed out, is bad politics!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link