Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

(I know you didn't read the article, J.D., as it's not a Chomsky interview and because you're you, but it also lists a Bunch of Good Things That Jimmy Carter Did)

dude could totally rock a cardigan I hear

lookit rushomancy pullin' out "traitor" retrospectively! damn, libs be on the firing range now.

(spare me the Vietnam lesson, chump, i was alive)

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

it wasn't known at the time, but his backchannel machinations aimed at sabotaging lbj's peace talks with north vietnam in '68 qualify as that in my book.

i've read the article before, i'm pointing out that citing chomsky as if he's some grand old historian of american history (instead of an important linguist whose offhand cranky opinions about politics invariably inform his historical pronouncements, such as the idea that the cuban missile crisis was all our fault, the cold war was all our fault, the war in the pacific was all our fault -- gee, notice a pattern here?) is a bad idea.

funny to see online leftists get so upset about the word "traitor." are we still allowed to call robert e lee a traitor? maybe not on counterpunch, where half the articles seem to come from right-wing libertarians.

previous articles by matt peppe, expert on the carter administration:

Media Promote Baseless Assertions By Government Officials Of Russian Interference As Facts

The New York Times’s Biased Obituary of Fidel Castro

Media More Outraged by Possible Murder by Putin Than Definite Murder by Obama

what are his errors about Carter's presidency? don't answer.

Carter's not running in 2020, is he?

He could! His politics are better now than when he was president.

how bout we try just not having a president? that could be cool.

we're fairly close right now

is Rosalynn too old to run

nice "if" there

Every American deserves to have a roof over their head and keep the lights on if they work a full-time job. pic.twitter.com/GHhD7PsXqh

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) July 29, 2018

really keepin yr eyes on the prize eh

I mean, Morbs is right here, in that that precondition is bullshit. But in the meantime, there's plenty of ppl inveighing against even that milquetoast proposition all over the country, i.e. business interests pushing against $15 minimum wages. (Which, in Seattle, still qualifies you for income-restricted housing, if you can find a unit.)

this kind of bullshit is totally counterproductive and we all know it

the opposition is absolutely gleeful at our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good - let's indulge them one more time, maybe it'll work out at last!

I'm not saying don't vote for Kamala Harris, I'm saying still also promote the idea that maybe everyone deserves a safe, autonomous, healthy life no matter how much they care to work.

watching the video I don't feel like the point was "if they work a full time job" so much as "every american deserves a roof over their head and to keep the lights on"

last two posts otm

LGM has a response: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/07/tone-deaf-potential-democratic-presidential-candidates

Yeah, I don't think there's any disputing that Gillibrand is the least horrible candidate with any likelihood of getting the nomination (right now, anyway)

I'd be happy to vote for her

dunno if she'd drive african american turnout like Kamala would but that's electoral politics for ya

I like them both, would vote for either of them

I'm totally on board with people voting for Harris, but that's a horrible message, and does the GOPs job for them of moving the goalposts ever rightward.

A rare morbs otm

Whether it's Harris or Gillibrand or someone else, it's always better to have a sympathetic ear in the Oval Office than a punitive, vindictive manifestation of right wing radio. Any realistic Dem contender in 2020 is pushable to the left, and some are already demonstrating that two years out.

It’s the sort of thing that only someone who is triangulating would say.

this kind of bullshit is totally counterproductive and we all know it

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:28 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the opposition is absolutely gleeful at our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good - let's indulge them one more time, maybe it'll work out at last!

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:29 PM (two hours ago)

come on man, it was a bad tweet and pushback is healthy. this is how these people learn

the video overall was solid, though a politician of harris's stature should understand the importance of slogans and messaging. agree with most of that loomis post

our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good

congrats, never heard that assphrase before

not voting for Kamala Harris

You live in NY so wgaf

I would really love to see a two-woman ticket, almost just for the dickhead meltdowns. Gillibrand has to be one of the two and I’d rather have Warren over Harris.

absolutely true JF, but i could always move to Philly

What can Kamala Harris do to secure your vote? I can try and relay the message to her office tomorrow.

A good start would be dropping ideas like unemployed people don't deserve a roof over their head.

as for me:

* stop acting like such a former attorney general

* medicare for all

* explicitly state that the only person trump should nominate to the SCOTUS is Merrick Garland

* rephrase that tweet and make it about a living wage

i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying

tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.

(as in, no chance in 2020, but maybe after, with some adjustments)

(also, all the white dudes should be asking these women how they can be of assistance)

(and Booker should be taking notes in case he passes muster to be veep)

the real 2020 presidential candidate was the friends we made along the way

Cory Booker was on On Being this week positioning himself as "the Love candidate" which is right out of the old 1930s musical Of Thee I Sing.

(what he really loves is hedge funds)

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that lady unironically retweet Devin Nunes.

“i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying”
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, July 30, 2018 11:21 PM

tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 2:25 AM (yesterday

barf

I've seen a lot of people, including james surowiecki, make the point that the rent relief act will in effect encourage rents to keep rising and end up putting more money in the pockets of landlords/developers. many of them have been conservatives and libertarians so I'd like to see a good analysis of it before I reflexively agree, though it does seem to make sense

sorry for making you barf

you're a smart enough guy to understand that that's a completely useless statement you could pretty much make about any politician. I am trying to keep an open mind about all of our candidates too, but my response to missteps by these people, particularly when they're in line with what already worries us about them, generally isn't "man, I'm sure excited about all the learning she potentially can do!"

it's really not too much to ask for a united states senator, particularly a democratic one with an eye on winning the democratic nomination, to have done her research or have a basic understanding of messaging

fair point I guess I was trying to be nice to California

i wonder if Dem senators ever look across the aisle, sigh longingly, and wonder what it must be like to be able to be a smarmy dogshit-for-brains asshole and still easily win elections.